CocoRosie member goes to "Kill Whitey" Ironic dance parties and gets called out by brainwashed.com as racist

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haha wikipedia:
"During this period, Bianca studied linguistics and sociology, and pursued her passion of visual arts and writing. She also managed to collect a variety of tattoos, and was known to attend "Kill Whitey" parties in Williamsburg, Brooklyn."

noizem duke (noize duke), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

With any luck, CocoRosie's album will tank as ethically-savvy music fans refuse to buy it and educate their friends; "Cool" record shops will refuse to stock or sell their records, and tell their customers why. After disappointing sales, their label will dump them and they'll be exiled as pariahs, with as much chance of selling records as Gary Glitter. Then anybody else who thinks it's "cool" to be ironically racist will have the burnt-out wreckage of CocoRosie's career and credibility to behold as proof otherwise.

Alternatively, they'll take the hint, become even more hipsterishly abrasive and sell lots of records to the skull-attired coke-snorting nihilists who think that giving a fuck about issues is gay.

acb (acb), Friday, 11 November 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Despite all this talk I don't see how Cocorosie's fan base is any more NYC-hipsterish than, say, Cat Power's -- slightly more, I guess, but the mainstream on both seems to be just sleepy college kids.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link


Yeah, honestly, that is a pretty accurate description of what I am like. I grew up in an incredibly segregated town, which is horrible, especially given that I grew up in a supposedly "liberal" town south of San Francisco. The segregation was based on wealth more than racism, I suppose, but that doesn't make it much better. "most people are friendly regardless of ethnicity", I'm not really comfortable around other white people or really people in general, which maybe I'm right or maybe I have social anxiety or something. I mean you say "black people dont get to decide whether or not theyre comfortable in white american culture", I don't really feel comfortable in that culture either. I mean obviously, people don't act racist towards me, I don't have to worry about being denied a job because of my ethnicity, etc, so I don't have to face the problems that so many people have to face. But I'm still not sure how to address the fact that I have obviously enjoyed privilage by being white. I guess, to try and get back to the topic of this thread, that was what I was trying to say about the people that attend Kill Whitie parties. Not that they are necessarily racist (at least in intention, it seems they are in action), but that they simply are misguided and don't really understand how to confront issues of racial identity. "i wish other whites would get the fuck over themselves", yeah I pretty much have that problem in all relations and not ones with racial aspects. I dunno, I really have to figure this out for myself I suppose, but thanks for sharing your views with me.

Wow, whatever - your life story could be mine.

Except for the whole 'getting a job and not being discriminated for my ethnicity' part.

But I really, truly identify, man.

WTF, Friday, 11 November 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Coke-o-racist?

acb (acb), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone besides me actually been to one of the kill whitie parties?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

They wouldn't let me in.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone besides me actually been to one of the kill whitie parties?
-- phil-two (philtw...), November 11th, 2005. (phil-two)

was it like how it's described in the article?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean whatever, its a party where people are drinking and dancing to hiphop.. in like williamsburg. how is this different than some corny club on west 27th street where everyone is white, and drinking and dancing to hiphop? well ok, the name, but the only people who took that seriously was the washington post. the quotes in the article are pretty stupid, but i mean, the kids were probabably really drunk.

its kinda like that ny times article a few years ago about the trucker hat, where the nytimes lady interviewed some drunk hipster at the pussycat lounge and he told her that there's a code to the trucker hat. if you wear it cocked to the left, youre from the east village. to the right, williamsburg. up and left, means youre a gay man from chelsea. down and right means west village, etc. then they printed that in the ny times sunday style section and we all had an enormous laugh.

anyways, the party is pretty fun. jeremy (mr. pumpsta) is kinda insane though.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

They wouldn't let me in.

youre joking, right?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

So the stuff about the buckets of fried chicken and privileged white kids acting out stereotypes of black people as violent, sex-crazed animals was just bullshit that someone fed the reporter?

acb (acb), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

how the fuck is dancing to hiphop = acting out stereotypes of black people as violent sex-crazed animals?

and why is this getting more attention when you can go to ANY club in america and you'll find white people grinding or doing the toosie roll or whatever?

there honestly isn't anything different about this party than most any other party ive ever been to.

i never saw a bucket of fried chicken either.

also, i do not have a trust fund.

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh so this isn't problematic at all? phew.

deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder what buckethead thinks about this.

phil-two, i kinda maybe believe you that this wasn't as bad as portrayed in the article, but i dunno there's some problematic stuff going on there that's not just our imaginations, i'd bet.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean if the reporter's usual beat was nightlife/culture/style or something like that, then maybe - but her other articles were about the NJ governorship race, counter terrorism, tom delay, etc.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

its kinda like that ny times article a few years ago about the trucker hat, where the nytimes lady interviewed some drunk hipster at the pussycat lounge and he told her that there's a code to the trucker hat. if you wear it cocked to the left, youre from the east village. to the right, williamsburg. up and left, means youre a gay man from chelsea. down and right means west village, etc. then they printed that in the ny times sunday style section and we all had an enormous laugh.

or like that time in the 1990's when NYT ask sub pop employees about grungespeak.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 12 November 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha yeah! "cob-nobbler"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 November 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh dude I hope nobody imagines these parties are like actual racist hotbeds, or something -- they're just parties with a problematic and annoying theme. Nobody actually thinks these kids have issues, right? They're just problematically indifferent to the theme of a party they like being kinda fucked.

nabombo, Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Though doesn't the very fact that the kids are getting into the parties and remaining indifferent to their being problematic prove that the casual racism and race/class privilege go so deep that they are unaware of them whilst being profoundly affected by them in their everyday interactions and assumptions?

Racism isn't just the province of Klansmen and white-supremacists.

acb (acb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

actually phil, i was really wondering if there was any integration at these parties at all, and if you thought it would be more awkward than usual if any group of five black folks from any particular social/class demographic at all just wandered in?

also, i had a party that was ironically ny-hipster circa 2002. nobody else got it tho and they all asked me to change out the electroclash for other music. :-(

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 12 November 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

So if a hipster in 2005 wears a trucker hat, are they referring ironically to (a) working-class/white-trash culture, or (b) trendies who started wearing trucker hats unironically as a fashion statement in 2003 or so?

acb (acb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

depends on which borough he's from.

amon (eman), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

actually phil, i was really wondering if there was any integration at these parties at all, and if you thought it would be more awkward than usual if any group of five black folks from any particular social/class demographic at all just wandered in?

probably not any more or less awkward than any other party where most people are white, and a group of five black folks from any particular social/class demographic just wandered in.

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I just wanna say that unlearning racism (and other isms, for that matter) is a life long process. As a white guy I recognize that I'll always have work to do and new things to learn. And it's a lot more about listening to people that you can learn from than trying to defend your current point of view. White people who say "I'm not racist" annoy me for this reason - it's like saying "I know everything and don't need to know any more".

Also, it isn't non-white's job to teach us about this stuff, just like it isn't women's job to teach men about sexism. Asking people to "teach" or enlighten you is IMO putting them into the same "other with specialized knowledge" position that got us into this mess. Also note that this is different than just listening to what people have to say, or going out and reading, say a book on white privilege and asking folks for their take on what you've learned.

It's early for me and my brain is slow, but try some of Bell Hooks' stuff for starters. I hope I made a little sense, a lot of the white responses I've read here make me sad and frustrated.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

99% of these responses, regardless of the race of the poster, makes me sad and frustrated. This discussion is missing the input of the type of black folks who are being caricatured at these functions.

kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin while your point is 5% taken I think you're staring right past the whole point of this thread, which has largely revolved around precisely the way you're using the phrase "type of black folks" in your post.

nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

As always, though, it's a pleasure to see how people's high-minded sadness and frustration over the idea of race can work as an excellent way to seem very sophisticated about the whole thing without ever having to actually muck in and deal with it.

nabiscothingy, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a pleasure to see how people's high-minded sadness and frustration over the idea of race can work as an excellent way to seem very sophisticated about the whole thing without ever having to actually muck in and deal with it.

OTM, but since I usually only talk about crap on the Internet all day, that's basically how I deal with EVERYTHING, not just race. haha

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

so are you saying that there aren't various types of black people, cause from my experiences we all seem to vary individual to individual, city to city, and state to state, etc. I don't identify with the kind of modern day Sambo that these parties seem to be emulating, so it's more than easy for me to bring up the fact that yes, black people don't all share the same brain and there are variations just like in all other racial groups for that matter. I hope that you totally misunderstood what I said earlier cause it would be a shame if you don't want to acknowledge that there are variations within black culture. That's just crazy.

I don't choose to 'muck in and deal with it' because arguing on ILM is futile to me. Not because I'm trying to put myself above the whole arguement, but because often you guys' opinions are so far from my reality that it would be pointless to engage with you on this whole Cocoracist issue. I just cut out the middle man and agree that we disagree. It saves time and a helluva lot of frustration.

kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yr gonna get PWND.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
...eventually

deej, Monday, 16 April 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
LOL thos are some hardcore hos

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:20 (sixteen years ago) link

prob drugs, right?

babedad, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:22 (sixteen years ago) link

prob murder

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Style

StanM, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

border crossing gong rong

sexyDancer, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link

At least they probably won't whine about it and blame their publicist, like a certain spoiled wannabe pop star...

o. nate, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link

RIP

Dom Passantino, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link

COCAINE AND CHICKS WITH MUSTACHES

god they're terrible. fucking TERRIBLE.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link

The Myspace msg definitely implies the sisters are at large and it's their band who are in jail...

Jon Lewis, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

well someone rectify that then!

lex pretend, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

The Myspace msg definitely implies the sisters are at large, armed and dangerous

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link

My favorite group. It doesn't sound like they got arrested, just their band.

mercurialblonde, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Fashion Police?

danbunny, Monday, 7 May 2007 23:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Art and Magic

gabbneb, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link

The Myspace msg definitely implies the sisters are at large, armed and dangerous

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Sparta/2674/jsmic.gif

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link

"Um, some girls are here trying to pay for your bail in 'rainbows?'"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

CocoRosie was one of three shows I've ever walked out in the middle of.

Mordechai Shinefield, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:55 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

characturing?


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