The Ozu thread.

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wait til amateurist gets back and finds out his thread has been sullied with Gaspar Noe and smelly jeans.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

There was an Ozu fest as Lincoln Center last year. I think Stephin Merritt went to every single film, hence "I Was Born" on "i."

His family dynamic stuff reminds me of Henry James.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

'ozu depicts the family as an agent of oppression, focusing on characters who are fighting to preserve their individuality and humanity within structures seen as inimical to such a project. this supposedly 'conservative' director leave us in no doubt that social obligations and expectations cause suffering.' (brad stevens)

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i agree with cozen. ozu's films exhibit a wide range of examples of family dynamics; in most of his late films both the power to stagnate and oppress and the power to change are witnessed; often one action sets in motion numerous things that can't be easily identified as "good" or "bad." one is often left to ruminate endlessly on the wisdom (or perhaps, the inevitably) of a certain action.

there are a few ozu films that are more overtly didactic. "brothers and sisters of the toda family" starts out like many of the more familiar films but winds up in a very very didactic, even strident mode that i wasn't comfortable with. some of the silent films, too, are a bit didactic in a proto-neorealist vein ("an inn in tokyo"). there are of course didactic elements even in some of the best late films, but they are muted and no one character is ever made to be the "voice of the film" so to speak.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 18 February 2005 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

cozen have you seen early summer?

(cozen how are you?)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 18 February 2005 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

'ozu depicts the family as an agent of oppression, focusing on characters who are fighting to preserve their individuality and humanity within structures seen as inimical to such a project. this supposedly 'conservative' director leave us in no doubt that social obligations and expectations cause suffering.' (brad stevens)

this doesn't accord with my limited knowledge of ozu, but there are so many questions begged i don't see how it ever could. if the family is an agent of 'oppression', whence that oppression? if you wanted a film that showed 'the individual vs the family', then 'rebel without a cause' might be a better place to look than ozu, but even if it were true of ozu, counterposing the individual to the collective unit is hardly incompatible with conservatism, which is all about the realization that social obligations cause suffering. which conservatives argue for *more* social obligations?

NRQ, Friday, 18 February 2005 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

hey amateurist, I'm good, yeah, a bit bored tonight but spring's almost here, my course is almost finished then I can back to glasgow (I'm in aberdeen!) and tonight I have todd haynes 'safe' set to stun. of ozu's I have seen 'early summer', 'floating weeds' and 'tokyo story'. these have been released as the noriko trilogy recently (so-called because setsuko hara plays a girl (of no relation) called noriko in each). by tartan I think (the UK equivalent of criterion, I guess.) 'the record of a tenement gentleman' / 'the flavour of green tea over rice', ozu volume 2, comes out 30/05/2005.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(how are you?)

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(how are you enrique?)

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(I liked yr 'if....' article a lot. sorry, I'm a bit late in saying.)

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
ozu: search & destroy

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

as noted above, i didn't like "brothers and sisters of the toda family," but i found it interesting nonetheless.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish I wouldn't have skipped An Autumn Afternoon a few months back like I skipped a Renoir double feature of The Lower Depths and A Day in the Country today.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 7 March 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"few months" = "few weeks"

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 7 March 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

A very strange juxtapostion of the obnoxious strains of drive-time radio plus the decorous rhythms of this Japanese cinematic master has just entered my head- a radio spot or show called the "Z-morning Ozu."

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 7 March 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope it consists of 1 hour of people exchanging commonplace greetings in japanese!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 7 March 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
How is The Taste of Green Tea Over Rice?

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

err, Flavor of...

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
Late Spring just released on DVD. Halfway through the film Setsuko Hara's smile becomes unexpectedly ghoulish.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Late Spring is my favorite of the Ozu films I've seen. Especially if you subscribe to the theory of Yasujiro Ozu living his experience through Setsuko Hara's resistance to heteronormative practice (i.e. marriage).

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never seen any actress extract so many variations on the polite smile.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

All that gentility and subservience to your parents' will has got to exact a toll.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

(btw, in case my comments didn't make it clear, I loved the film)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

what's funny about the whole "somberness" thing is that so far, i've gone the other way when it's come to watching his films - i've so far only seen ohayo and part of i was born, but... in class, so now i'm anxious to see how he handles dramatic material also (largely bcz of this thread)

joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not without humor. But it's a little smile, sometimes dark, in the midst of slow-paced somberness.

I need to see more.

¯\(º_o)/¯ (Chris Piuma), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Kehr today on Late Spring. As much as he tries to avoid DOA defenses of Ozu's mastery (Zen and a variant on "Oriental stillness" are the most popular), he still has to write that "viewers are invited to rise above (or sink below) the chatter of consciousness."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/movies/homevideo/16dvd.html

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Good Morning is a good comedy, with kids farting and whatnot.

It's funny how people fuss about the low camera angles, when the characters sit on the floor so often.

I liked that guy who usually plays fathers in the mid- to late period. You know, that guy.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Good Morning was too pokey for my taste. I like Early Summer best.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that guy. He's in lots of them. So many that dometimes I have trouble remembering which ones I have seen or even which one I might be watching at any given moment.

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Chishu Ryu?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

yes!

The parent-child plots are so similar I have trouble distinguishing unless I see a bunch of them in succession.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i looooove good morning.

ihttp://scoopsnoodle.com/future/goodmorning.html

the way the lighter than usual for ozu subject matter plays with his trademark cinematography is absolutely effervescent!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

oops

http://scoopsnoodle.com/future/futurepix/GoodMorning.jpg

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, there really is that much ado about farting in Good Morning. Still (or perhaps as a result) one of the major highlights of the last twenty or so films I've watched.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

The latest batch!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes! I ordered and have mine on the way. Can't wait to watch them.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 01:35 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

criterion/eclipse is doing some silent ozus.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:40 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

I know Tokyo Story is supposed to be moving. But it just isn't for me. I don't know if it's because everyone in it is generally so stoic?

The best dialogue is near the end: "Life is disappointing, isn't it?"
"Yes, it is."

Dr Morbius, Monday, 22 September 2008 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

It's behind Early Summer and Floating Weeds for me – it takes a while to realize why Ozu ping-pongs the couple from child to child – but it's one of those movies that the rewatching of which really makes you love it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 22 September 2008 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

An Autumn Afternoon has the most shattering conclusion of any Ozu film; I did weep.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

what's that from?

jed_, Thursday, 20 November 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

hi jed, the comics reporter site pointed me to this link:

http://www.familylosangeles.com/blog/2008/11/did-you-know-this-is-out.html

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 20 November 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

The Eclipse series of Criterion has released a shitload of early and late Ozu, some of which have never even gotten a VHS release. I just got Equinox Flower from the library.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

I watched Equinox Flower last night and it was excellent!

fit and working again, Friday, 13 November 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

that ware poster is amazing. need a copy.

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Saturday, 14 November 2009 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

So I have finally seen some Ozu films - Tokyo Story and his last one. I was somewhat surprised by them - I had picked up the idea (largely from this thread) that they would be a bit, er, boring. But they are very eventful, even if on a global scale not that much happens in them. I also loved how good natured they are.

The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 21 January 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I was going to revive this thread because Early Spring looked enticing at the library a few minutes ago.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 January 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I recommend Late Autumn, probably my second favourite after Tokyo Story.

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link


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