So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

i thought the "black dude" was the one who said he was in the bathroom

oh alright thanks you guys! i guess there are plenty of ways to appeal without knowing the jury's reasoning.

i thought the "black dude" was the one who said he was in the bathroom

― max, Saturday, December 5, 2009 2:18 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

another black dude. she accused the owner of the local bar of doing it. and, well, as a guy who WORKS IN A BAR, he had a few alibis.

yeah even so--her making crypto-racist accusations doesnt exactly convict her of murder, u know

no, an italian jury does that.

hi-yo!

;-)

You never find out the reasoning of the jury in most places - I think it's only in the US, with its primacy for freedom of speech, where jurors speak out afterwards. Irrationality of the verdict could be a reason for overturning it in theory (in the UK), but in such a case the judge should stop the trial before it reaches the jury.

these people all had to have been on drugs, right? I can't imagine someone getting killed in your house and you not knowing it; or killing someone under these circumstances (if she and her boyfriend did it).

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f386/xchamberx2/General%20Stupidity/if_i_did_it.jpg

these people all had to have been on drugs, right? I can't imagine someone getting killed in your house and you not knowing it; or killing someone under these circumstances (if she and her boyfriend did it).

― akm, Saturday, December 5, 2009 3:14 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah this seems to be what happened. wasn't the standard line "sex game that went wrong"?

Yes, it was.

People being questioned about their flatmate's brutal murder in not behaving entirely rationally shocker.

Maybe, still under the influence of drugs, she was thinking of escaping and joining Cirque du Soleil?

yeah this seems to be what happened. wasn't the standard line "sex game that went wrong"?

― a young thug's brutal coming of age (history mayne), Saturday, December 5, 2009 10:33 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think this was a line of thinking based on the same logic that held the comic books in sollecitos apartment as solid evidence of his violent nature

For what's worth, one of the most baffling sentences in our recent history.
And, sorry Ed, unfortunately our legal system isn't sound at all.

i dont get how smoking weed translates as the murder being 'drug-fuelled' in all the uk press. i'd be more surprised if some 20somethings watching a dvd of a weekend weren't smoking weed. i'm amazed these days at the ever-more tabloid-y tone of BBC/ mainstream tv news.

i dont get how smoking weed translates as the murder being 'drug-fuelled' in all the uk press

You don't read any newspapers or watch TV then?

idk, knoxy kind of fucked herself by lying repeatedly and trying to incriminate someone else who wasn't there. she was in the apartment when kercher was murdered and did not give a convincing story as to what happened. that *in itself* does not make her guilty, but why is it hard to believe that sometimes people on drugs do amazingly awful things?

if i were stanning for knoxy et al i'd take 'sex game gone wrong' over 'just slit her throat for s & g'.

she was in the apartment... according to a "confession" extracted with leading questions, and no lawyer present, after 14 hours without food.

To give some background, this is just the last in a long series of incredibly messy trials, where you can just be amazed and horrified by the sheer ineptitude of the police, the protagonism of the prosecutors, the scandalism of the press and the painful slowness of the whole thing (up to 10 years to get a definitive verdict, even you're considered innocent in the first trial).

yea one of the 'friends of amanda' ppl also said that she was just responding to a hypothetical, cooperating w/ police ~ what she would have heard if she had been home, etc xp

i don't think many people dispute the investigation was badly done, though given how badly, it is then surprising that the prosecution won.

i've not been in that situation, but i hope that if i were asked to talk about a hypothetical situation i wouldn't actually accuse someone else of the crime. (im pretty sure asking "leading questions" is part of murder police are supposed to do, though.)

Again tho, being a bit of a douche doesn't make yr conviction safe.

why is it hard to believe that sometimes people on drugs do amazingly awful things?

uhhh they were smoking hashish

could've led to listening to Phish

but I'm not sure how you can convict someone without any evidence of them being there at the time.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/other/1974/faul76a.gif

And, you know, loads of others.

Was going to respond with something similar to that to Marco wrt to the italian legal system being no better or worse than any other western one, certainly if you compare it to, say, one where judges are elected based on the prejudices. This certainly isn't the Dreyfuss affair.

Is Italian legal theory not based on the principle of reasonable doubt? Failure to deliver justice is preferable to performing a second injustice.

well, whoever did the birmingham bombing wasn't *there at the time* of course, and the six had a pretty watertight alibi on that score.

And I'm sorry Suzy but this...

I'm not surprised by this verdict but I don't think this woman would have gotten a guilty sentence in the US.

...just makes me mad.

I said this, not sure what makes you mad about it. In California we had someone who willfully beat his own infant to death and got manslaughter and was let out in 11 years, who then appears to have gone on and killed another kid. The US justice system is a weird and unpredictable thing I guess.

Sorry I totally misinterpreted you.

The reporting non this is just crap. Take the broken window.

BBC yesterday.
Afterwards they tried to make the death look like part of a failed burglary, breaking the window in Miss Kercher's room to look like forced entry. But police realised it had been done from the inside.

BBC today.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46857000/jpg/_46857947_knox_house466x600.jpg

Is this a contradiction or just badly written?

Less armchair investigation, more hot pix of the murderess.

yea one of the 'friends of amanda' ppl also said that she was just responding to a hypothetical, cooperating w/ police ~ what she would have heard if she had been home, etc

This is how the dude in John Grisham's The Innocent Man was convicted, too. Spent 11 years on death row before being exonerated.

To Ned and Ed: I'm not implying that other legal systems are good or better, I'm just saying that very often here in Italy investigations and trials are surrounded by a very thick cloud of ineptitude and plain dumbness.
The Knox-Kercher thing is not the Dreyfus affair but it is a link in a long long chain of truly embarrassing trials: it got international exposure because it involved US and Uk citizens, but there have been at least other four or five recent cases where people have been kept in prison for years and sometimes even condemned on totally nebolous premises.

Also, our judges are not elected but there can be other (very) serious problems: a judicial system where, among many other problems, the defence doesn't have the same rights of the prosecutor and where that same prosecutor is not going to be considered responsible for any of his mistakes (despite a referendum sanctioning his civil liability) doesn't seem that well to me.

Finally Italian legal system is obviously based on the principle reasonable doubt, that's why this sentence is particularly strident.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/amanda.knox/index.html?eref=rss_crime

I hope like hell she gets out. Poor kid. I miss her long hair.

any news?

I hope like hell she gets out. Poor kid. I miss her long hair.

― kkvgz, Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:36 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

are you generally chill with murderers?

She's starting her appeal in October (according to CNN) or November (according to the DMail), hopefully (for her) her lawyers will know the actual date.

I hope like hell she gets out.

A bit like Al-Megrahi, difference being we all know for sure he didn't do it

WTF

'Heroes' star cast in Amanda 'Foxy Knoxy' Knox biopic

Maybe they should wait until this isn't being appealed?

maybe it'll be like that jeffrey archer play and the audience will get 2 decide if she's guilty at the end of the film (could be a good social networking gimmick)

An American is in prison abroad. A good looking one too. And white. That's what really counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO46MFEbzNY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-20110627?print=true

yeah it is such a nightmare when you murder someone and have to go to the big house

wow i didn't realise you'd witnessed the murder

i mean i'm wary of the tone of Rolling Stone article but if half of its assertions are factual then there's no way you shd be able to get a conviction on those grounds.

What is your story, History Mayne? You've made a couple of those weirdly perfunctory posts.