It is now time to fall in love with the King, Felix Hernandez

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Cain and Felix are both killing me this year.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Felix actually looks pretty good tonight... this might be his best start of the year.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(Yeah, it's Tampa but still...)

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

finally

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 07:11 (eighteen years ago) link

last week--


Scott (seattle): what's up with felix?

Joe Sheehan: I watched every pitch of his last two starts, because I was wondering about that myself. (Caveat: I Am Not A Scout) As best as I can tell, he's having major location issues both in and out of the zone. So he's falling behind in counts and then catching more of the plate than he wants to. His HR and walk rates are way up; so is his BABIP.

I don't think there's anything permanently wrong with him. His velocity looks fine to me, as does his movement. He's just going through what 20-year-old pitchers--hell, 30-year-old pitchers--sometimes go through.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

tonight's line ffs:

F. Hernandez (L, 2-5) 4.0 11 10 5 2 4 2

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 06:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, remember, this is the Mariners. DOOMED TO FAILURE!

ALLAH FROG (Mingus Dew), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

true dat

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

He's sandwiched between Tyler Walker and Jose Lima @ #441 in VORP.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I went to the game yesterday and some innings he looked terrible and others fine. People have been saying it's something about his stride. Like he shortened it in the off-season and it's got him all screwed up. Some innings his motion is like last year and smokes, and others he shortens it and loses control, then throws too many fastballs that get sat on.

jergins (jergins), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate Silver, excerpted from Prospectus:


The three most important indicators in [evaluating FH] are strikeout rate, walk rate, and groundball percentage--and PECOTA has dead-on nailed Hernandez’ performance in each of those categories. The key differences are in the number of base hits that he’s given up, and the number of home runs.

Hernandez' BABIP on the season to date is .359. That’s the sixth-worst performance in the league among pitchers with at least 40 innings pitched. Although groundball pitchers give up a few extra base hits, that performance is way out of line with what we’d expect out of Hernandez, and almost certainly reflects his bad luck. It’s not like Hernandez is a Carlos Silva type who throws meatballs and telegraphs his pitches.

The inflated home run rate is a bit more of a concern--Hernandez is at nine home runs and counting before Memorial Day, when PECOTA projected him to give up just 11 on the entire season. But it’s much less of a concern than it would be if Hernandez’ groundball ratio had deteriorated with his dinger tally...

What does all of this mean? Well, it means that Hernandez is behaving like a 20-year-old pitcher with all of five months of big league experience to his name. I think opponents are reading the scouting reports and recognizing that, while Hernandez is not averse to throwing breaking balls early in the count, he rarely throws them for strikes. I think Hernandez has such great stuff that he’s never had to make many adjustments. And I think he and Rafael Chaves will sooner or later come up with the necessary counter-adjustments, whether it means making his slider a bit more of a strike pitch, throwing more first-pitch fastballs, or something else.

In short, I think Felix Hernandez is going to be fine...If [he] were a stock, his share price might have declined by six or eight percent since the start of the season--not more than that. No, I wouldn’t trade Felix Hernandez for Cole Hamels. Justin Verlander--that might be a different story.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

PECOTA "nailed" his BB rate to jump +56% and his groundball rate to drop -33%?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't do tables, damn you.


Stat / Actual / PECOTA
BB / 9.1% / 9.1%
K / 22.0% / 21.7%
GB% / 69.1% / 66.7%

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Anthony (Long Island): Yesterday, your column listed Felix Hernandez's GB% as 69.1%. The Hardball Times has it at 54.2%. I understand there are probably minor differences in how you calculate the figure, but that is a huge difference. So which number is right?

Nate Silver: The figure I used was extrapolated from ESPN.com. ESPN lists only two times of outcomes: groundballs and flyballs.

Hardball Times lists four types of outcomes: GB, FB, popups, and linedrives.

Neither method is inherently "right", but the Hardball Times method (and we used something similar in BP2006) will result in systamatically lower GB percentages.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Well I guess BP already forecasted his regression.

"Kudos", as TDeLong might utter.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 26 May 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

2005 vs. 2006:
GS: 12 : 11
W: 4 : 4
L: 4 : 6
IP: 84.1 : 62.1
HR: 5 : 11
BB: 23 : 23
K: 77 : 63
ERA: 2.67 : 5.78
WHIP: 1.00 : 1.54

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

King Felix, I hardly knew ye. Dropped from my fantasy team after reaping me -9 points.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Dropped from my fantasy team

Hope you're in like an 8 team, non-keeper league.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope you're in ILBB.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 2 June 2006 02:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Jun  8       The Minneapolis Star-Tribune's Joe Christensen reports Minnesota Twins SP Francisco Liriano (stomach) came down with food poisoning after he went to dinner with Seattle Mariners SP Felix Hernandez and went to the emergency room early Wednesday morning. But he should be fine. 

Very interesting...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 10 June 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Nine-inning win, two ERs, nine Ks, zero BBs. What a disappointment.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Looks like he's not gonna be on rotation for the SABR game on the 30th, dammit.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

What an asshole this kid Hernandez is turning out to be.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Between him and Lastings Milledge, clearly the world is fucked.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, and both of them are totally like 30 years old anyway. And on steroids.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

We should be arguing over whether Francisco Liriano was deliberately poisoned by King Felix. My theory is that Felix is still bitter about not winning the ROY last year and he now resents other pitching phenoms who are trying to win it.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

he's like Vincent Price in Theatre of Blood... cept he should be poisoning BBWAA voters!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

of COURSE hernandez poisoned liriano, he poisons everything he touches. he's the single worst thing about the national pastime today, narrowly beating out that geriatric charlatan albert "he deserved it" pujols.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah and that smug bastard dontrelle willis, he's pretty evil too.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I never thought I'd ever say it but:

Haikunym OTM!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

DID YOU KNOW (TACO edition):

Only one pitcher in baseball has given up more tacos per fly ball than FeHan? Up until yesterday the King was numero uno.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Jeff Weaver should be ashamed of himself for not having the taco crown.

ALLAH FROG (Mingus Dew), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a long season, friend.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Going to the AAA game in Tacoma next Sat on a SABR bus: Felix Bobblehead Night!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

He got sent down?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 26 June 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link


We'll see, they have 5 days.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Mike (Seattle): Are my Mariners gonna shut down Kng Felix soon? And should they?

Jim Callis: (2:12 PM ET ) I believe they have him on a 200-inning limit, counting spring training. Unless they're still in contention, I don't believe they'll allow him to exceed it. Which makes sense. Don't fire those bullets unless you have to when it comes to such a talented, young arm.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

they put him out there for 8 last night. hopefully they won't do that again. i'd rather lose.

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

they left him out there for 8 last night (don't know the pitch count). hopefully they won't do that again. i'd rather lose.

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for reviving this! he actually looks really good of late.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
Felix Hernandez: Losing Weight

RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Thursday, January 25, 2007

Update: Hernandez dropped 20 pounds this offseason from last year's spring training weight of 246, the Associated Press reports.

Recommendation: Earlier reports said Hernandez was in the best shape of his career, but losing 20 pounds makes that a bit more believable. He's at 226, four pounds below the Mariners' goal, after an offseason in which he changed his diet, eating more vegetables, and a daily exercise program.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 25 January 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

john (chicago): Hi Will, Who has better mechanics Peavy or King Felix? Who's going to have a better 2007 year?

Will Carroll: Peavy by far, on both counts.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah but, Sheehan:

I think Hernandez was so hyped last season that his performance is perceived as worse than it actually was. He was basically a league-average starter with pretty good peripherals (24 Stuff score, far above average). After some early-season issues with hit rate and home-run rate, both of those figures came down to expected ranges, and with them, his ERA. I see no reason why the projections from a season ago can’t be Hernandez’s baseline for '07. He’s the only pitcher other than Johan Santana I can see deserving the AL Cy Young Award.

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

um.... halladay? clemens? matsuzaka? sabbathia? jeff weaver?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Or like any pitcher who suddenly has an amazing season, a la Esteban Loaiza.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha Jeff Weaver!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Some wakeboarder needs to lay off the tacos.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
Revive.

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah damn.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

he looks so totally unflappable out there. and he works so FAST.

only one moment where he lost his cool: when sexson missed the throw to first in the eighth (?) - felix got up in his grill. sexson gives a "i'm a big idiot" type look and felix realizes he needs to dial it down and he tells him it's all right.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 12 April 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link


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