Franz Ferdinand totally sucks...

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"bands are always singular in american english"
No they're not. Love is coming to your town. The Pixies are not.
"(lots of) people like easy things but they also like to look smart and complicated."
Should read "everyone likes"
Franz Ferdinand aren't bad. If you can't understand why people don't like them, listen to their lyrics. "I was telling Terry (whatever British guy) about, how I made it and . . . what I made is unclear now, but his deference is, and his laughter is . . ."
I point that out not because it's particularly luculent but because it's invigoratingly arrogant, tinged with an archly sighing regret about being so wonderful. That's very easy to resent, especially when you're not laying models. "Women think I'm tasty, they're always trying to waste me." Remember that?
PS: The Strokes sound like Guided by Voices. See "Hard to Explain."

willie strunk, Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Word. I like Franz Ferdinand and sausages....especially bratwurst.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

who's J-Rock, Ned?

Refer upthread to the post which caused this thread to be revived.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

J-Rock is the sausage king of Chicago.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(Toronto. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Word. Peeps in Toronto be eatin' mad sausages....J-Rock's the hook-up.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen to that.
They themselves say the same thing about what their music is, that is isn't closer to God than anything else, or whatever.

I supposed I joined in here because it seems pretty clear most of us agree that that their music is not deep and meaningful, yet the hate they extract from ILM outweighs the need, in my opinion, for what that's worth.

Hate away if you don't like it but why work the knickers into such a twist about these guys in particular? From what I've seen they don't even need to be taken down a peg, they don't put on airs as far as I know. Maybe that's changed and they need as much hate as possible.

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i would have thought that the poppy and contrived and catchy and playful (perhaps even saucy) nature of FF would make them ILM favs....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Jealous Ones Envy

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the masses be tardin'

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

yo is it true franz ferdinand got sonned by a wite kid after a aol beef?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, send me a super-model and damn, I will borrow someone's bratwurst, not having one of my own! Jealous ones envy indeed.

I find hating arrogance dull but now I'm bored with myself on this thread talking about it. Goodnight! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

They're just boring.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

UH.......RIGHT! THAT MUST BE WHY WE LOVE TALKING ABOUT THEM!!

sweet dreams.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Boreeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah but they sound like they're tryin to be all deep, in a kind of dippy American Bandstand kind of way. "Let me weave you a spell..." They're the quintessential American Bandstand band. In fact, I think I'd like them if they were introduced by Dick Clark(e?)! At least while they were playing. But there's this kind of Derek and the Dominoes feel to them battling with the Kinks side. It never busts loose like they make you feel like it ought to. (Daft Punk remix of "Take Me Out" kind of deals with this in a hilariously ham-handed way)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think there's that much ILM hate for FF - it's just that haters are often louder around here (and criticism is often more interesting - if not more productive - to read than praise). I initially thought this band was a pale Strokes imitation, and I still don't think their songs are as strong, but I like them very much on the level of dance music. "Take Me Out" is a straight up floor-filler at really different kinds of clubs.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and the Daft Punk remix is really just more of a good thing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

This is a place to let out frustration and ??s about boring things getting their cocks sucked so fucking constantly and hard elsewhere.

Yeah, we don't really think they're boring. We must love them because we talk about them a lot! wtf

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

okay then: if you wanted to get the same sort of "vibe" (for lack of a better word) that FF provides, what would you listen too? Only current bands please, because all the old, similar sounding bands have been absorbed to saturation point.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

welcome to the year 2004

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Zongamin remix of Matinee > Daft Punk remix of Take Me Out

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I would rather listen to "Take Me Out" than "To Hell With Poverty" right now.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't find them that boring at all. They're fun for long drives or late night drinking/posting sessions and a soulseek copy of the self-titled kept me warm through the winter. Unlike many "it" bands, FF seem to have an actual sense of humor in their music, which makes their whole arty/fashionable come-ons easier to swallow.

Ned already mentioned their affinity for Sparks, but I'm also glad they keep talking about ABBA in their interviews. A lot of their album tracks remind me of the overwrought decadence and sensuality in "Lay all your love on me" or "Gimme gimme gimme (a man after midnight)." To my ears, they seem to pay homage to that sort of music without sounding like they're trying too hard to pull it off (except perhaps the opening track).

I suppose the reverse argument could be made, that instead of giving a hint of subtlety and intellect their music simply feigns sophistication in order to lure the hordes of pretentious college students who refuse to shake their asses to the plainer plebeian stylings of Lil' Jon. Well, so be it. Like my ass gives a damn.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I would submit that they might provide the opportunity (say a more fey and gay and englishy) way to shake your ass than Lil Jon...I'd bet lots of college students would shake their asses to both LIl Jon and FF (I bet if you go to college bars now you'd probably see than in the same nite!)....

....there is more than one way to shake an ass.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I hear that Franz Ferdinand are "15 pounds of fuck puppy in a 10 pound bag." Who knew?

Sara Sherr, Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

....there is more than one way to shake an ass.

Well yeah, but then you still have plenty of people who prefer one over the other. And neither group are wrong. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I go to college bars and I've heard all about Lil Jon's sweaty balls, but to my knowledge the Franz haven't yet managed to penetrate the watering holes of Athens, Ohio. Maybe by the time I get back that will have changed. Tragically, we're still in the eye of the hurricane that is the 80s revival, and it's going to be a long hard battle to get anyone to admit that ABBA is as fun to dance to as one of those sophisticated 80s new wave acts like say, Madonna or Cyndi Lauper.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

lil jon talks about his sweaty balls?! what song? that sounds awesome....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

duh! get low....y'all nevermind me....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

In a dank and dreary cavern somewhere deep below the earth, the ILXor mainframe has registered your astonishing lapse in remembering the scripture of St. Jon. It finds your lack of faith disturbing.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Stupid bitch standing there while I'm drinking my hen
Steady looking at me still asking questions
Times up nigga pass me another contestant

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ta299701/vader.jpg

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

is this going to be added to my "permanent record"?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

YOU'RE GOING DOWN, GAMER

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Everything I worked so hard to build....undone by a pair of sweaty balls.....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Word. Peeps in Toronto be eatin' mad sausages....J-Rock's the hook-up.

We Torontonians do enjoy a good sausage now and then...

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 19 August 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

...and I can hardly belive so many of you are pissing yourselves ignoring that they DO in fact sound just like The Strokes

Thank gawd roger pointed out that these charlatans sound like the world's most original band - The Strokes.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

'PS: The Strokes sound like Guided by Voices. See "Hard to Explain."'

i see what you're saying, but...no.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

okay then: if you wanted to get the same sort of "vibe" (for lack of a better word) that FF provides, what would you listen too?

I can not answer this question as Franz Ferdinand do not provide me with a vibe! I don't think they're Satan, they just don't move my ass.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

(It's good to know that my trend for latching onto bands and musical genres that elicit such an, um, unpopular response from Serious Music People hasn't been broken. Though I would for once like to know that when I'm in the midst of crazy fandom over a particular musical artist that a great many Serious Music People love them too.)

(*sighs* No, Duran don't count, because I've viewed them as Big Sellouts since 2001.)

(*sighs again*)

(p.s.: I fucking HATE The Strokes, so don't give me any bullshit about how much Franz Ferdinand sound like them, because if FF sounded anything like The Strokes, I would fucking hate FF too. But I don't. I adore FF. So fucking THERE.)

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the first Strokes album.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:10 (nineteen years ago) link

does that make you gay?

http://www.moviesnapshot.com/1996Stills/Swingers.JPG

no baby, you're money!

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Scissor Sisters version of "Take Me Out" is enjoyable.

I wasn't referring to Franz themselves as "zzzzzzzzzzz", but to my observation (which could well prove inaccurate to more seasoned ILM players) that many Franz conversations repeat themselves more than any other contemporary band.

Thea (Thea), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

so Roxy forget vibe. you can't think of another band that does what FF does? One that sounds anything like them, but better?

oops (Oops), Friday, 20 August 2004 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Define "anything like them"! It's like a music nerd riddle or soemthing. "Find a band that sounds like an older band, but it has to be a modern band, and they have to sound like something you don't like, only you like them."

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

No I didn't say anything about them sounding like an older band.
Surely you have heard or read people describing how FF sound and what they like about them, right? Well are there any bands you think can also be described in a similar way but that aren't boring and don't totally suck?

I think you know what I'm getting at. I don't really care for them much either, but I don't know of another band that one could listen to in order to get the same thing that they provide. You may find it boring (and I may too), but obviously many, many people get something out of them.

oops (Oops), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure what you're driving at. I guess you're trying to say they're unique. When I first heard them I just thought it sounded like another Hot Hot Heat/Strokes/Cover of NME Awesome New Band You Should Like. Should I give them another listen? I don't doubt that people "get something out of them," but for me it was a major gag reflex from having the next big four skinny white dudes playing retro rock in suits simultaneously shoved down my throat and adored for the last 4 years.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Saturday, 21 August 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I really don't understand how anybody could rate this band above terminally mediocre. I challenge anybody to listen to the album and still be enjoying it by around the half-way mark.

And I don't think the fact that there's no other bands around currently that sound like them who don't suck even more justifies their existence.

I mean c'mon, what's next, The Hives FFS?

wombatX (wombatX), Saturday, 21 August 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah why not?

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 21 August 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

there are two arguments against ff - the tom ewing one which i do see somewhat (although the way they fill the floor somewhat negates it), and the other corny indie fuxx one i'm surprised anyone here's old or dum enough to be preaching (though god knows it dominates this thread).

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 21 August 2004 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link


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