Rogueism

Also I should sound less like a wanker, throughout.

Your Loom analogy is elegant.

What about platformers, though. Are there any that even qualify as having roguelike qualities? I remember Clash at Demonhead having a great deal of ridiculous, challenging shit going on, and not letting up for even a minute, but really just being able to choose your own route to the end game a la Mega Man isn't all it takes, is it? It's still the same game over and over, knowing the map is about the only trick you pick up.

Remember in the DOS Red Baron on 5.25" disks the "Realism" settings that would make your plane have all sorts of quirks and shit. Totally!!!!!!

This is what I think, too, and I think Rogueism isn't just about simulation being accurate in the confines of a very small set of circumstances, but letting you find lots of different solutions to the problems in the game. Exploring can take lots of different forms, my idea is that some kind of exploration being allowed (and rewarded) is the key. A simulation that beats you about the head with total "realism" in the context of one complex activity doesn't let you explore jack shit. Gran Turismo is all about whatever kind of garageload of ridiculous vehicles you want to build yourself to drive around whatever tracks you please, within the confines defined by gear ratios, tire wear and $$$$, which is why I put it forward.

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thom jesus west (4:55:14 PM): oh dear. nethack-you just got killed.
thom jesus west (4:55:21 PM): you killed and ate some gnomes first tho.

I'm not saying it isn't I'm just asking cos I'm not sure I have a clear handle on what rogueism is still but I want to learn

What I though Tom was talking about here is the distinction between, say Kingdom Hearts, where you can wander around the beginning level for two or three days and get to lvl 100 before you start out, and Zelda, where if you don't have the next hot item, no amount of running around hitting things is going to get you past the next dungeon, so get to it! Actually Zelda has an out, it has rupees and things you can buy with them, but before I ever saw it I saw Alundra on the PS2 which was totally hardcore like that, and stunned me when I first realised.

Players can always impose rogueishness on a game, through speed runs/initial equipment/etc.

This is humans for you, give them something to do and they'll organize and innovate on it.

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Who knows; maybe generation algorithms have improved in 12 years.

Also, has anyone found a better interface for nethack -- isometric or 3d? I'm sick of the awful OS X keybindings....

LucasArts Desktop Adventures roffle

I think you can polymorph into burrowing monsters.

http://drgamelove.blogspot.com/2009/06/permanent-death-episode-1-inasupicious.html

http://www.above49.ca/2009/06/far-cry-2-on-permanent-death-bandwagon.html
http://bigapple3am.com/2009/06/permanent-death---far-cry-2-part-1.html

is pokemonism the opposite of rougeism (i.e. between the possibility of "collecting them all" and the forcing of hard choices which result in vast differences on each playthrough and of which none is clearly "superior"?)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, November 28, 2005 12:25 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh the innocent days before permadeath pokemon was 'a thing'

mainly i revive this thread because there wasn't one for ftl