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So how come Amazon US has never heard of this album? Are there any plans for a US release?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Very impressive, this album. Mesmerizing (= monotonous if you're not in the mood?) and threatening and stealthy and sad and ninja, just like Photek & Source Direct's best bits, but also very different - thanks for this thread, ILM!

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 08:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It ends vey well, the last three or four tracks are brilliant (esp "Pirates"- maximum rollage, more evil and propulsive than elsewhere)

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

pdf, they have it on insound.com!

http://search.insound.com/search/showrelease.jsp?p=INS29940

gear (gear), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally got round to giving this a go last night, heard two tracks and was pretty impressed. Good thing "Burial" was the name of an good old Death In June LP or this thread and this music would have completely passed me by.

Vampire Business (Bimble...), Sunday, 25 June 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Another one of those threads I have posted on yet will probably get the f***** record (and kick myself for not getting sooner) next year.

I passed this up in Hard Wax (they're loving the Dubstep btw!) for an old Carl Craig album & other stuff. If that Breezeblock mix is better... then maybe I'm not as excited about this as say a Skream or Digital Mystikz album after all.

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 25 June 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it very wrong that Night Bus reminds me of SPK's Zamia Lehmanni and Peter Gabriel's Passion/Temptation Of Christ soundtrack? Because it does.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Thing is tho is a Skream album not going to be pretty hard-going? 45 mins of Fruity-looped arpeggios and cheeky-chappy interpolations of dub? I mean he's a fun DJ, and his best choons are excellent, (and I know he's working with vocalists- Warrior Queen I think...? on his artist album) but all the same I suspect this may grate in a way Burial's shizzle doesn't...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

My friend Catherine (who sometimes posts here and sometimes on Dissensus) loves the Burial album, but said she had no way of placing this music in historical context, so i said I'd make her a compilation of different stuff that Burial vaguely reminds me of or seems connected to. This is what I came up with:

1. Nu-Birth - Anytime (Dem 2's Nice & Sleazy Mix)
2. Horsepower Productions - Fist of Fury
3. Skream - Midnite Request Line
4. Wiley - Pick Yourself Up (Target Instrumental Mix)
5. Aaliyah - We Need A Resolution
6. Tricky ft. PJ Harvey - Broken Homes
7. Donnacha Costello - Dry Retch
8. Pole - Tanzen
9. Rhythm & Sound - Truly (Vladislav Delay Remix)
10. Dillinja - The Angels Fell
11. Hidden Agenda - Dispatch #2
12. DJ Shadow - You Can't Go Home Again
13. Johnny Dark - HCD 2

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

nice mix- no Photek tho?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This album is a complete and total mindfuck. That bass is so unsettling at the beginning, and it seems to set the tone! I'm glad Tim posted that list because I find myself thinking "how on earth did music get to this point?" Fantastic stuff, even Cabaret Voltaire couldn't do better.

Vampire Business (Bimble...), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Burial (album stream)

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 03:02 (seventeen years ago) link

er... gone already for some reason.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Amazingly I've read this entire thread and am still somehow none the wiser as to what the album actually sounds like. Intrigued though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:20 (seventeen years ago) link

The streaming link is still working for me. tjaml upi fandango.

excellent rec, gets stronger as it goes along, def. hanging round some of the same old haunts as maurizio/rhythm + sound, which can never ever be a bad thing

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 20 July 2006 09:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought it Monday night. It sounds like a cross between Photek and Witchman, but weaker than both. Once again the UK hype squad fails me.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Come on, don't go "I don't get it (album/hype)" after just one day. Allow it some time, it gets under your skin. Well, it worked that way for me anyway.

willem -- (willem), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

It's very much failing to get under my skin after repeat plays... It's alright but I'm just not finding it vital or surprising enough to draw me in more fully.

Tim F is v.much OTM calling it a padded ep because there are (frustratingly) brilliant _bits_ on it. But the whole seems to fail somehow where it shouldn't have.

And it really would have helped to have had ALL of South London Boroughs on it because the title track would have been far & away the best cut on it (then Southern Comfort, then others) on a sound design level. The less Dubstep-y this gets the weaker, less atmospheric and menacing and emotional it feels. Yet the gauzy more ambient stuff seems to be getting the unfair share of the praise.

I'd have a hard time rating it below a 7, yet vast chunks of this lag far, far behind the truly effective parts in real musical power. Whilst never ever being hard to digest or bland or anything at any time it still ends up not feeling _really great_ either.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the potential is there, but it just needs stronger hooks/melodies/tunes or something else.

Doesn't compare even remotely in imagination to darker Tricky, Massive Attack or FSOL (circa "Dead Cities") or acres of other dread Jungle... If Hyperdub didn't exist and seem fresh & untested for it I'd expect this to have been released on Lux Nigra.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I am going to persevere with this one though oddly... I have a real suspicion the current sunshine is NOT helping me get on the Burial wavelength here.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Music to play in the dark, while the city sleeps...

willem -- (willem), Thursday, 20 July 2006 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I think some of the reason it doesn't feel as urban and desolate as people are claiming is it's just not fractured enough.

Fair enough to the 'burial' concept but it feels for the most part TOO hermetic and sealed around it's own foggy dreamscape to sound truly dangerous or threatening or unsettling. It needs more breaking glass and interruptions to "normality" in it I think.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I could connect with this more if I'd *heard* SAW II. Perhaps some sonic associations need breaking in my head.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Just to add another reference point to the thread... sounds like a declawed Third Eye Foundation to me.

ledge (ledge), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

oh god yeah, tef. why has no one mentioned them before now? otm.

(i dont like this much at all btw. tim's pitchfork review had me thinking it was the second coming of horsepower.)

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

btw just to pre-empt dubstep (feeeel the bass man) purists re: my ramblings above, I have actually got this now, and haven't been listening ONLY to some weak flash streaming of it.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I think some of the reason it doesn't feel as urban and desolate as people are claiming is it's just not fractured enough.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more with these claims. Listen to Skream or DMZ if you want more fractured dubstep, that really isn't the point.

btw just to pre-empt dubstep (feeeel the bass man) purist

This there anyone seriously going to claim this? This is not a 'feel the bass' record, it's a shade away from a dubstep soundsystem track. It sounds perfectly fine on my home stereo.

Michael Dieter (Mika), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Er... mind the bad grammar.

Michael Dieter (Mika), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Um I appreciate the sentiment Michael Dieter, but all the same Skream and DMZ as fractured??? Howso sir? Skream is melodic, his beats frequently pretty "flat" and non-jittery, (tho his new EP does have a jittered to shit track, ill give you that... chances are you've not heard it yet tho, so...) his music sits on conventional chord progressions and straightforward basslines -- not that fractured really... DMZ are normally pretty straightforward too how are you defining "fractured" here? I always though something like the rhythm to "boys love girls" by Kano was pretty fractured sounding, each turn of the drum track cutting at a different acute angle to the next, beset with awkward syncopation...

But yes: Burial is in no way a bass-head record, whilst the sub-bass is present it is mixed well back, as there is quite a lot else going on. Check out Pinch for some real "holy shit that's a lot of sub down there" action...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 20 July 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

@ Fandango's much earlier point: Yes, "Sth LDN Burroughs" the track itself is fantastic (and yes the little rushes of white noise are great sound design) and would have lifted the album up a bit. The real weakness is the torpid middle stretch when the half-step stuff kind of sits there, moping like a sad eyed teenager... not dark enough, or weepingly sad enough... however, if you've heard his remix of Blackdown's "Crackle Blues" you can see that he's definitely getting much better at the less 2-step tracks, this one sits on a half-step snare pattern but feels immense... another track which would have improved his debut album with its presence I think...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 20 July 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"(i dont like this much at all btw. tim's pitchfork review had me thinking it was the second coming of horsepower.)"

I wasn't really thinking about it in that way but maybe I'd now say it is the second coming of horsepower and that's part of what undermines it slightly. I still love many tracks on In Fine Style but it's hard to listen to in full. HP were better rhythmic programmers than Burial I think (nothing here is as startling rhythmically as, say, "Pimp Flavours") but overall Burial has a broader sonic palette.

This is definitely the first time I've received e-mails about a review with half complaining that I was too enthusiastic and the other half that I was too negative.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

That doesn't surprise me given the way this record has been overpraised (in my view anyway.) I'm still thinking I like the Benga record more.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

all the same Skream and DMZ as fractured??? Howso sir?

All dubstep sounds fractured to me to a certain extent. Always tripping over itself and creating angular grooves. Skream falls into this paradigm for me - while he might sound non-jittery and so on, I think even 'Monsoon' or 'Request Line' would sound less so mixed into a different genre...

I agree, 'Boys Love Girls' is a 'fractured' sounding track. But it's such an exceptional record!

In any case, Burial is much more melodic and non-jittery than anything in dubstep or grime. The Germanic Basic Channel/Pole axis on the sound is an innovative approach I think. The point is to find a new synthesis, which requires reducing certain aspects associated with the London underground.

Michael Dieter (Mika), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

third eye foundation?

this shit sounds like enigma w/o the hot beats and tight samples. at least enigma is catchy and gets heads nodding. i forgot what this sounded like two seconds after i took it off. all i could remember was the afterimage of a train whistle, ghostly fragments of bad ethnic samples and the overwhelming aftertaste of rainswept windshields and sodium lights. fuck that, this is what you get when you combine corny dead poets gothisms + the sound of a deep forest album at 33 rpm.

JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vahid), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

i forgot what this sounded like two seconds after i took it off. all i could remember was the afterimage of a train whistle, ghostly fragments of bad ethnic samples and the overwhelming aftertaste of rainswept windshields and sodium lights

Hmm... these are exactly the reasons why I love the record.

Michael Dieter (Mika), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

really? because i was trying to be as corny-british-blogger as possible about it when i said that. what's the aftertaste of a rainswept windshield like?

and STFU about basic channel, people. teh fact that a dubstep album spends time aiming for something that shits on it from a great height doesn't make it worth listening to.

burial is worthwhile because he namechecks basic channel? what's next, i listen to matisyahu because he's got good taste in reggae?

JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vahid), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

and STFU about basic channel, people. teh fact that a dubstep album spends time aiming for something that shits on it from a great height doesn't make it worth listening to.

You can't be serious.


Michael Dieter (Mika), Thursday, 20 July 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually the better reason to be a bit sceptical about the basic channel connection is that it's not particularly new - I'm not sure how Burial is any more basic channel than Horsepower Productions already were on stuff like "Gorgon Sound".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 21 July 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

It's been a while since I've listened to Horsepower. Perhaps I should revisit. I remember a lot of BC comparisons being thrown about when that first record came out.

Perhaps Pole is a more significant reference point from Burial.

Michael Dieter (Mika), Friday, 21 July 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

no one in current dubstep has a bass sound as good as horsepowers.

there, i said it. i feel better now. i'll get me hat.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 July 2006 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

This certainly seems to have been overhyped something awful. Of all the dubstep I've been listening to lately, which admittedly is not so much - Skream's Stella Sessions and Skreamizms, some Loefah, Zomby, Blackdown - this is the weakest. Neither superior headphone listening, certainly not something I'd like to hear out and no more 'redolent of the decaying asphalt of the urban landscape of Ken Livingston's London' or whichever poetic trope one wishes to employ, than other things out there.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 21 July 2006 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Like Dub, i get the feeling Dubstep would sound best on stupidly large speakers in the street with the bass reverberating of buildings..

So does anyone know if there's going to be any sound systems playing Dubstep at notting hill carnival this year?

jk_ (jk@gabba), Friday, 21 July 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

That's an interesting one... Dubstep on a heavy system works very very well indeed, the empty spaces consumed with juddering bass-mass... I hope Digital Mystiks are on this idea of some torn-bassbin action come carnival time...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Friday, 21 July 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

not carnival but there's some festival action this year @ Bestival

Skream
Appleblim & Shackleton
Digital Mystikz & Sgt Pokes
Kode 9
Various Production

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I've come to the final conclusion that "Southern Comfort" is the only track on this record that I really like. :(

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that's a tad harsh, there's at least two worthwhile tracks!

jimnaseum - music to make you staga (jimnaseum), Friday, 21 July 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"You Hurt Me" perchance?

Yeah that break is fine, but that's about it. I don't dis-like the rest of it, it's just kind of there.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 22 July 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"You Hurt Me" perchance?

Aye.

jimnaseum - music to make you staga (jimnaseum), Saturday, 22 July 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not surprised people want broken beat music that's empty, vast, emotional and dubby.

but compare burial's album to something like phoenicia's "brownout" and you'll see that burial is very, very subpar.

JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vahid), Saturday, 22 July 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

>Actually the better reason to be a bit sceptical about the basic >channel connection is that it's not particularly new - I'm not sure how >Burial is any more basic channel than Horsepower Productions already >were on stuff like "Gorgon Sound".

-- Tim Finney, July 21st, 2006.

eh, crackle!

Brian Best (ukb), Saturday, 22 July 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link


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