Jacques Rivette

"L'Amour Fou"

how the fuck do i get this movie?

And just to wet your appetite there is this neat piece on L'Amour Fou.

It reminded me of The Travelling Players and the description of destruction that goes on => also the less playful, but no less '68, than Akermann's Saute ma Ville.

Made me think of how it became my 'lost' film. There should've been others but I've always come across them before reading a ton of stuff and becoming obsessed: 'Jeanne Dielman' had that one screening at the NFT; the Lumiere broadcast 'La Mama et La Putain'; 'Herostratus' is one of the BFI's great restoration jobs; Marker's 'Grin Without a Cat' got a release (love it, can't say I'm arsed about the extra added hour that is supposed to be knocking around, its 3 hrs long already!); and I read about Resnais' 60s films first in James Monaco's cool study but a cpl were available straight away and for the remainder it was simply a patient wait, culminating in 'Je T'aime, Je T'aime' just last year. Now when I often read about something it could be on youtube, as was the case with Kiju Yoshida's 3 and 1/2 hrs cracker from '68 'Eros Plus Madness'.

I was thinking that maybe 'The Man Who Left his Will on Film' by Oshima could be a companion, but no, Tate are screening it in March.

So to have a film that is truly lost: that you have no prospect of seeing, and when you do you know that it will be in such a crappy condition you'd want to get yr money back is almost to be treasured.

(Just kidding, btw...)

ty for that link, julio. great pic of bulle o at the top - if nothing else, the sequence in L'Amour Four where ogier's character goes mad in her flat and starts making bizarre tape recordings shld be preserved forever in a pristine print

a little while ago someone v kindly transferred for me my legit uk vhs version of the mother and the whore to dvd, as afaik there's still no disc version of that. i watch it along with my dvd transfer of renaldo and clara, most sunday afternoons.

Nice combo! (imagine so anyway, frm reading about 'Renaldo and Clara', not seen...)

yeah it's mindblowing that le maman ... isn't on dvd. i always figured it was the kind of thing bfi might be able to release that would be a little more populist than some of their worthier titles. routine watching would probably send you the way of the actors tho

I can see the opportunity for an Eustache 2-DVD set on the lines of Vigo, say: 'Mama et la Putain' on the first DVD, then his other film and a couple of juicy shorts too on the 2nd disc. Certainly beat a lot of the Rohmer sets on Artificial Eye label (he's ok, but lets face it Eustache totally outdoes Rohmer).

Both cuts of "Out 1" coming this year on a German DVD set:

http://www.amazon.de/Out-Noli-tangere-Spectre-DVDs/dp/3898487008/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325936267&sr=8-1

Its a lost film no longer :-) Was able to source a phantom copy (w/near complete subtitles too) and spent much of the afternoon w/it.

Timing perfect, what with that in-depth look at the film. The issues bought by Mary in her article above regarding 16mm vs 35mm recordings is kinda lost on me because I think the editing and its gargutuan length seem to unify the different POVs over a period of time.

I love how L'AF records (and edits) the whole process of a work's gestation period and squares this w/a relationship between two people that is falling apart. Or more like the moments when it works and when it doesn't, or when things are on a knife-edge. Again the length of Rivette's films can every now and again seem unneccesary, but there is total pay-off in that respect, and it also allows for the v subtle flashbacks and story circularity that complicates things, but just enough, to work.

Claire in the apartment ws best tho'. Reminded me of The Conversation, as did the destruction of the flat - wonder if Coppola has seen this.

When her jealous fixation reaches a pinnacle of intensity, Claire approaches Sébastien as he sleeps and attempts to pierce his eye with a hat pin.

^ this gave me the shivers

just saw (and really loved) 'celine and julie go boating' - loved all the digressions and the story-within-the-story piling up and up, the camaraderie between c+j and jed OTM that the book-stealing scene is, in retrospect, really funny

glad someone enjoyed c&j, but boy was i worried when i saw this thread revived (iirc another ilxor posted that rivette was seriously ill at the moment.)

gonna see "l'amour fou".
what to expect?

greatness.

j/k - haven't watched my copy of "L'amour fou" yet but I expect it's magnificent. + a young Bulle Ogier...

i'm halfway through - so the dude doesn't change his cloths for the whole movie?!

my answer was to expect length.

"Out 1" has been smuggled on youtube.

See you next year..

Haha! Me too!

english subs?

and the DVD release has been put back until march next year and tbh i'd be amazed if it surfaced then given that it's been delayed a few times already.

Yes english subs - an old broadcast from Italian TV

so much better than L'amour Fou imo..

hope you're going to watch out one:spectre straight after, xyzzzzz :-)

the user that uploaded the movie, Rick Petaccio, is THE MAN:
great cinema:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7GS1WbfteCpn4idCwmVFsw

Can you put up a link for the last part? (I looked and couldn't figure it out.) I don't feel like watching the whole 13 hours again--but I want to see that great final shot!

L'Amour Fou, Le Pont du Nord, and Celine and Julie are all being screened on 35mm nearby soon. I'm prob going to see Celine and Julie but I have a short attention span and it's difficult for me to sit through entire films w/o getting sleepy, esp if they're slow (I started nodding off during the last 20 minutes of The Color of Pomegranates last night). Are the other two like OMG totally worth it?

I caught 35mm sceening of Le Pont du Nord last month. It's like a shorter & less whimsical C&J. It also helps if you know a little about late '70s domestic European terrorism (Mesrine, Baader-Meinhof) going in, as what story there is in the film concerns the fallout from that stuff. It's also not as easy a film to drift in and out of like you can with C&J.

I'm thinking I am only going to see one of them and it's prob going to be C&J

The new print of C&J is very nice.

LPDN is not so hot imo but tbh there are worse things you could do with your time than go, see its deeply-hued paris & drift in & out of sleep without noticeably missing 'plot'

L'Amour Fou has, at least in the UK, been the most difficult to see of all the major Rivettes. As I'm sure I mentioned upthread, the print shown at the National Film Theatre's complete Rivette retrospective was in terrible terrible condition - so if this is a newly struck print then that would be the one to go for, at least from a trainspottery pov (again, I don't think L'Amour Fou is available anywhere in the world on DVD, whereas C&J, as Rivette's most 'popular' film, is easily accessible, and in the UK Masters of Cinema have just brought out a new disc of Port Du Nord). L'Amour Fou was partially shot on 16mm, so when projected at 35mm those sequences have a real grainy beauty, and Bulle Ogier is amazing in it.

But from an entertainment POV, Celine and Julie is the one to go for - and the slippage between dream and reality is even more pronounced in it, making it the perfect film to drift off to.

Saline & Julie tomorrow!! Is this a thing to get stoned for or will I like actually fall asleep?

I got stoned and accidentally watched Werkmeister Harmonies once w/ some friends and it was so boring I made an excuse halfway through the film and left :-/

Saline !

Always thought it was fresh-water boating.

It turns out that S&JGB is a v fun movie even though it is v slow and boring and you fall asleep during it

Saw a Claire Denis documentary on him tonight. Basically a long interview with Serge Daney. Rivette's shot in a way that makes him look like Charlie Watts at times.

just saw La Belle Noiseuse and yeah both Rivettes I've seen have been absolutely fucking incredible - so intense, so genuinely profound. want to live in his movies

Love him. I hope he's doing well.

"Celine & Julie" was one of those films that I found sooooooo tiring to sit through but when it was done I was like "Oh damn that was kind of wonderful!"

but still with no desire to ever see it again. It's like I want to have seen his films but don't want to actually have to deal w/ sitting through them.

They're worth sitting through, IMHO.

http://sensesofcinema.com/2014/2014-melbourne-international-film-festival-dossier/thirteen-others-formed-a-strange-crew-jean-pierre-leauds-performance-in-out-1-by-jacques-rivette/

Out 1 will be "restored," distributed digitally

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=16598

i can't imagine finding 13 hours (?) to watch that!

i'm kind of a rivette agnostic. i seem to be the only cinephile in existence who doesn't like "celine and julie," though i like his later stuff (like "secret defense" and "va savoir") to different degrees. or at least i did when i saw them 10–15 years ago.

i seem to be the only cinephile in existence who doesn't like "celine and julie,"

hallooooo

you know the story that Kael stomped out of it midway, yelling "I'm going to the movies!"

yeah me three tbh

I mean I enjoy ~having seen~ the film but I did NOT enjoy seeing it.

ha! I guess i'm not alone.

i watched it all the way through once, was intermittently entertained but mostly annoyed by the aggressive whimsy. tried seeing it again years later, left after about 40 minutes once i realized it was strictly diminishing returns.

i guess i'm just not on rivette-in-the-1970s wavelength.

i mean, i like wes anderson movies, so obviously i'm not allergic to whimsy. but i guess i felt like there was a lack of compensating virtues... like, in some cases, basic filmmaking skill. (ouch, sorry.)