doctor joke?
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Sunday, 29 November 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ie that is me, on my first day of school
u were sliding into 3rd base around then iirc
― we be emi robin' (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 November 2009 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link
in slo mo
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Sunday, 29 November 2009 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link
this thread is hilarious, btw, i wish Whiney and Deej could get Weird Science computers to create living embodiments of their respective constant stubborn talking points so that they could go out and eat ice cream and play video games while Talking Points Whinebot and Talking Points Deejbot battle it out
― henry man see u (some dude), Sunday, 29 November 2009 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Reynoldsbot and Frere-Jonesbot would still get paid more $$ for their regurgitations though of course
― henry man see u (some dude), Sunday, 29 November 2009 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link
lol i was thinking earlier about how this thread is basically posts very much in character 24/7
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Sunday, 29 November 2009 03:46 (fourteen years ago) link
When people were saying "omg lol dance music is dead" back in 2001 a lot of similar critical moves were busted out: "All our old heroes - you know, the ones that put out big albums, have big live tours, well-known guests vocalists preferably from UK rock, and generally embraced by a mainstream indie-rock readership - are getting old and uninspired and relatively less successful, while everything else is rote filter-house and trance-pop or hopelessly obscure stuff that will never amount to anything."
Of course by 2004 dance music was in rude good health again, with its new creative and commercial success rooted in a combination of chartwise moves and the background of all that stuff dismissed as "hopelessly obscure" a few scant years before. You could say the story of 2004's success started (if it started anywhere) in 2001 - Discovery, electroclash, German house and techno...
― Tim F, Sunday, 29 November 2009 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link
so - if not "omg lol dance music is dead" - would you have agreed with the weak version in 2001? "ooh eck dance music's a bit boring right now unless you're deeply into it like"
― thomp, Sunday, 29 November 2009 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link
No 2001 was a great year for dance music actually. Just not the kind that critics who only listen to a little bit of dance music (and then, like, The Chemical Bros et. al.) would think is a great year I guess, because The Chemical Bros, Underworld, Fatboy Slim et. al. weren't ruling the charts.
Basically the journalistic narrative hadn't caught up with what was actually going on, and when that happens, oddly, what is new is actually mistaken for same ol' same ol', in the same way (but oppositely) to the way in which commonly what is actually familiar and unshocking can be mistaken for being new.
― Tim F, Sunday, 29 November 2009 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link
hip-hop on the guillotinebecause music like youmakes critics like Simon Reynolds feel so tiredwhen will you die? when will you die? when will you die?
― Cunga, Sunday, 29 November 2009 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link
2001-2004 now feel like a golden age for dance music. If anything house and techno is a bit uninspired now.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 29 November 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
<3333 "go out and eat ice cream" btw. adorable
― we be emi robin' (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 November 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Dance music in that period is a best-case scenario for a genre really. The end of one era - superclubs and big crossover live acts - coinciding with the growth of fantastically potent and fertile new sub-genres. Very much the death of one version of dance music but, in retrospect, for the best.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 29 November 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
If you told me 5 years ago that every hyped indie rock band in 2009 would sound like Ariel Pink, I would have said you were crazy
Sounds like paradise. Which bands are you talking about here?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 29 November 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
that change in dance music was mostly the genre adjusting to the internet...prob a lucky time for a facelift
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 29 November 2009 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
― henry man see u (some dude), Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what 'talking points' does whiney have? as far as i can tell hes consistently burt_stanton-ing w/ constantly misguided cultural mis-observation
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Sunday, 29 November 2009 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
well a lot of the time they are just deej^(-1)
― crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
yo dog...thanks 4 dat shineblockas tip
trakk iz bangin'
― rizzx, Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
none of your medical mumbo-jumbo dr., just give it to me straight
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
you have 3 months to live...until you are suggest banned
― we be emi robin' (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
The lack of "narrative" or "big new important thing happening" is different from there not being any good rap music. Obviously there's plenty of good rap music out there, and obviously there's a lack of any big new important thing happening in rap. The latter is Simon's real beef, because his best writing about the BNITH in popular music. He says there's good shit, but no narrative. There's plenty to listen to, but not as much to read about and write about and think about, at least nothing substantially different from what's come before. This is why all the hip hop mags are dead/dying, and why no one pays anyone to write about hip hop. Unless you are SR or SFJ.
― Gavin, Monday, 30 November 2009 07:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i think things are happening but that its more difficult to tell exactly what those things are w/out the charts to orient yourself around -- it was easy to create a narrative when it was, like, "hmm these neptunes sure are popular."
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Monday, 30 November 2009 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link
pretty sure hip hop mags being dead/dying has nothing to do w/ whether or not there are existing narratives
― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Monday, 30 November 2009 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link
the state of popular rap in 2009
― curmudgeon, Monday, 30 November 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Funnily enought, the company behind Zero Books is a wacky new-age crystals'n'meditation outfit. But I do think the imprint is a Good Thing (despite having a few issues with the whole k-Punk archipelago). I'm looking forward to N Power's One-Dimensional Woman.― Stevie T, Monday, September 7, 2009 11:40 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
― Stevie T, Monday, September 7, 2009 11:40 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark
crystals'n'meditation'n'outspoken-anti-semitism outfit now
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Saturday, 6 August 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link
expand on that
― Gukbe, Saturday, 6 August 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
publishing gilad atzmon
― sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Saturday, 6 August 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link