tarkovsky's stalker

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restraining orders were really hard to get in russia back then

tectonic p (latebloomer), Saturday, 28 November 2009 07:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

minor point of curiosity: why is it split into part 1 and part 2, with a separate credit and everything? was it originally made for tv or something?

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 28 November 2009 16:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

it was something to do with soviet bureaucracy. Tarkovsky had already used his whole budget shooting the bulk of the film but the film stock was ruined and the footage was unusable. in order to get funding to reshoot it T had to imply to the authorities that the film was always conceived as two parts and he needed additional funding to shoot part two. i think he actually used the funding for part two to reshoot the whole thing.

jed_, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah. i knew about the reshooting. i guess that makes a sort of bureaucratic sense.

man, it was really something to watch, it's still replaying in my head. i'll probably need to watch it again but i want to give it more time to unspool and settle in.

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 28 November 2009 19:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

it's really beautiful, although it kind of killed everyone's desire to go out drinking afterward.

new definition of "art film"?

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Saturday, 28 November 2009 19:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Tried for a second time tonight. I'll need to be 100% alert and working on a minimum of 10-hours sleep if I'm ever going to last the whole way--drifted through most of the middle hour tonight. I'll forgo the kind of jokes I used to make when I saw it 15 years ago. The stalker's strong resemblance to Woody Harrelson was distracting.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:14 (five years ago) Permalink

If you can handle the candle scene from Ностальгия/Nostaghia you can handle Сталкер/Stalker.


Sanpaku, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:21 (five years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of surprised the some people (vahid!) think the pre-zone section is good and then it goes downhill. i think the getting to the zone section is often messy and boring but once they get there and less starts to happen, plot-wise, the film is electrifying.

jed_, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:22 (five years ago) Permalink


Only the RONG Survive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:44 (five years ago) Permalink

I ate a bunch of weed on a train and watched this on my laptop. It blew my goddamn mind. One of my favorite movies, and xp- the film really starts getting good once they reach the zone. Absolutely. Their every step becomes measured, they ruminate, they argue, crazy shit starts happening around them...

I'm gonna watch this tonight again.

Dick Townwolves (Captain Ahab), Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:56 (five years ago) Permalink

One of my favorite movies, and xp- the film really starts getting good once they reach the zone.

first part of that sentence OTM, one of my very favorite movies. but it's brilliant from the beginning. hell, the first shot is one of the best in the film. and so's the second...

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:47 (five years ago) Permalink

thought thread might've been revived cos of this new book:


Ward Fowler, Sunday, 12 February 2012 07:42 (five years ago) Permalink

amazing film.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Sunday, 12 February 2012 17:36 (five years ago) Permalink

Seven years after the making of the film, the Chernobyl accident led to the depopulation of an area rather like that in the film. Some of those employed to take care of the abandoned nuclear power plant refer to themselves as "stalkers" and to the area around the damaged reactor as "The Zone.

love this fact, through the whole film i kept thinking of chernobyl.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Sunday, 12 February 2012 17:41 (five years ago) Permalink

I love this movie so much I can't help feeling personally offended whenever anyone shits on it.

tanuki, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:03 (five years ago) Permalink

If someone doesn't like this movie, I automatically don't like them. I think there's something wrong with the way they open their senses.

elan, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:23 (five years ago) Permalink

And we were headed for such a beautiful friendship, elan.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:37 (five years ago) Permalink

I know I should be beyond the point where I feel so personally about things outside of myself (I got shit for saying more or less the same thing about The Tree of Life on the sandbox movie thread) but I wonder if this movie doesn't work as a sort of litmus test about whether or not one feels sure they know what reality really is, or whether they (like I do) are in constant doubt as to what is real and what isn't. Mind, this is drawn from very little experience but I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.

tanuki, Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:06 (five years ago) Permalink

also n.b. I don't think everyone who dislikes this movie is a terrible person, but maybe people who are sure of themselves also tend to dislike this movie.

tanuki, Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:08 (five years ago) Permalink

i dunno, i'm quite unsure of myself in certain respects (and full of headstrong confidence in others), but i like stalker and the tree of life primarily because i find them beautiful. i can certainly see why others might dislike either or both. they're long, slow, abstract and arguably pretentious films.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Ordered that Geoff Dyer book yesterday, really looking forward to it. One of my favourite writers on one of my favourite films.

I am using your worlds, Sunday, 12 February 2012 21:06 (five years ago) Permalink

It's not like I think Stalker dislikers are bad or terrible! I just always feel like there's going to be a large gap between the way we experience things.

elan, Sunday, 12 February 2012 22:50 (five years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

so with Zona out now, there'll be a Stalker screening in NYC Saturday eve with a panel (incl Walter Murch, Francine Prose, Phillip Lopate and Dyer) talking between the reels!


G Kenny discusses the book (and Hoberman review of same) here:


Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:35 (five years ago) Permalink

um, I love Tarkovsky and shamefully have never watched all of the film. I think I'm going to attempt some multiple viewing, book reading, extravaganza

Walter Murch on a panel? I hope there's coverage or a recording of the talking.

valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:41 (five years ago) Permalink

just read abt that in the wsj & it was vague enough that i thought there was also a screening/talk on fri ;_; sounds rad tho

johnny crunch, Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Anyone read Dyer's bk?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:35 (five years ago) Permalink


he looks like a nudnik

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:37 (five years ago) Permalink

Ws reading his wiki -- he's written on a wide range of subjects, you know.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:38 (five years ago) Permalink

yes but i saw him talking abt stalker w/ m kermode on bbc hds benighted 'the culture show'

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:43 (five years ago) Permalink

& i distrust ppl called geoff

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:44 (five years ago) Permalink

the bldgblog guy is named geoff and he seems ok

valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:48 (five years ago) Permalink

in your opinion

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:49 (five years ago) Permalink

ws saying it as something to distrust really - travel one min, jazz the next, now not only film but STALKER! Sounds like a mid-life crisis bk instead of a fully researced account of Tarkovsky and his (and Soviet cinema's) struggle w/the authorities.

Ah well..xxp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:58 (five years ago) Permalink

there was one broadsheet review which was all 'less abt tarkovsky than abt geoff dyer' as if that might be more enticing

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:01 (five years ago) Permalink

I've read books that ended up being semi-autobiographical about pretty boring people, this couldn't be worse

valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:24 (five years ago) Permalink

Not the recommenation I was looking for!

xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 March 2012 09:54 (five years ago) Permalink


"...this emboldened Slate's Dana Stevens, whose contributions up to this point had been inoffensive enough to be ignorable/forgettable, to chime in about the "weak writing" in the film."

Why is Dana Stevens invited to these things? n.b. I can't recall ever reading a Dana Stevens review but her talks on the Culture Gabfest are...lacking.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 11 March 2012 06:29 (five years ago) Permalink

"cultural vegetable."

Never heard this term before, only 10 year olds dislike all vegetables.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 10:03 (five years ago) Permalink

that phrase was at the center of an NYT Magazine-launched brouhaha over "difficult/boring" films last year.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:22 (five years ago) Permalink

There was this not exactly good article on slow cinema. Liked it ended w/Akerman although the quote doesn't sound intelligent.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:16 (five years ago) Permalink

wow, Kenny wrote they couldn't even find a good print for the New School thing. Imagine how universal that will be 10 years from now.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:51 (five years ago) Permalink

is it true that they all died from cancers they picked up while filming in that place?? i can't imagine how wading neck-deep in sewer water in an abandoned hydroelectric plant could have seemed like a good idea ... didn't they have an actor's union?

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid)

tarkovsky, his wife, the DP, and the three lead actors all died within 15 yrs of this at relatively young ages iirc, at least three of them of cancer which i think was linked to the filming location (though not definitively.)

omar little, Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:09 (five years ago) Permalink

A while back I read that it was some rare type of cancer. The fact that they all had it lent itself to the idea that it was caused by shared environmental exposure.

elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 00:35 (five years ago) Permalink

From the Stalker wikipedia page:

Sound designer Vladimir Sharun recalls:
We were shooting near Tallinn in the area around the small river Jägala with a half-functioning hydroelectric station. Up the river was a chemical plant and it poured out poisonous liquids downstream. There is even this shot in Stalker: snow falling in the summer and white foam floating down the river. In fact it was some horrible poison. Many women in our crew got allergic reactions on their faces. Tarkovsky died from cancer of the right bronchial tube. And Tolya Solonitsyn too. That it was all connected to the location shooting for Stalker became clear to me when Larisa Tarkovskaya died from the same illness in Paris.[5]

elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 00:36 (five years ago) Permalink

oh, there was another Dyer/screening today :p


Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2012 00:41 (five years ago) Permalink

Have always heard about The Conquerer being a movie that was actually fatal for the people involved; had no idea the same happened with Stalker.

tanuki, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:24 (five years ago) Permalink


^blood boils, etc.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 08:57 (five years ago) Permalink

Not really...just 'next', you know.

I am at fkn war w/proper spelling and punctuation tho'.

All nothing compared to the awfulness of people dying from the conditions surrounding the Stalker shoot. Was dimly aware of it when a camera man was talking about T and people who had passed on. A 5 min interview on a DVD that was a kinda gem. Wish I had that round here so I could remind myself of exactly what he said.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 09:02 (five years ago) Permalink

I read Zona today - I enjoyed it. It's pretty short (you can probably read it in less time than it takes to watch the film) but that's probably for the best. It was a lot lighter than I expected it to be - more of a cultural sorbet than a cultural vegetable.

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:18 (five years ago) Permalink

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