Simon Reynolds is a gobshite

okay hipster runoff is already talking about post-chillwave. it's over folks:

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2009/11/the-beach-house-theory-of-2k10.html

they created it and then they killed it! that is kinda cool!

But Scott that's so he can position himself for the chillwave revival in 2010.

ummm, not listening to polka != not listening to possibly the decade's biggest genre of music

i.e. nu-chillwave

Hardly. How many polka albums did you hear this year? How many North African releases that didn't come out on Sublime Frequencies? Every writer limits what they investigate, mostly based on what people will pay them to write about. Nobody's willing to pay for my opinions on hip-hop, so when I listen, it's because I've got some down time from all the stuff I'm listening to for money (90-plus percent of which is metal, jazz and assorted skronk). Hip-hop is strictly recreational to me, and I'd much rather listen to Follow The Leader again than whoever's fifth mixtape of the quarter just hit Rapidshare.

― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Friday, November 27, 2009 5:24 PM (3 minutes ago)

this is fair but last time i checked this thread was a discussion on the direction of hip-hop, and since you've admitted you know very little about it and don't care to, i don't see how saying this is productive.

also, unlike polka, north african music, and jazz, people actually listen to and pay for rap music

possibly the decade's biggest genre of music

Among whom?

If you extend it to include norteño, the audience for polka is pretty fucking huge, you know. You don't hear it in many McDonald's commercials, but it's out there.

i started that cinnamon chasers thread 2 weeks ago and i should have just called them chillwave in my thread title! (cuz i saw they were mentioned on an origins of chillwave blog post just now.)

the dude behind CC also makes actual olde-tyme "chillout" music under another name:

do you guys like cinnamon chasers? (ambient electro-pop kinda stuff)

I'm waiting for the post-chillwave revival in 2030.

among whom? umm, the record buying public of the world?

EVERY SINGLE YEAR is a good year for rap (or any genre, really!) if you look in the right places... But AN ACTUAL GOOD YEAR is when the good stuff is unavoidable.

― eatin' spaghett' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, November 27, 2009 4:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i feel like it's really easy to avoid everything nowadays though. like are there any other genres that are pumping out an unavoidable wave of great music? imo 2009 has been a fantastic year for hip hop and i didn't even have to look that hard, atleast not any harder than it was to find my favourite r&b, punk, indie or noise albums.

we are all in (i)pod world now.

back to our roots:

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/wooden-ipod-dock.jpg

How about "unavoidable if you're paying a minimum of attention," which is clearly what he means?

yeah i guess my point is that nothing was really "unavoidable if you're paying a minimum of attention" this year besides lady gaga and boom boom pow.

serious pedantry itt

ilm in pedantry shocka!!!

i think hip hop is getting a lot of slack from critics for falling out of the public eye and not having any huge hits or albums, while the quality of music hasn't changed drastically in the past few years. i think it has a lot to do with the fact that hip hop use to be really ubiquitous and unavoidable, so non-rap critics would keep clear account of what's going on with the sides of their eyes and now that it's dipped under the everpresent public eye it's suddenly like "where's all the good hip hop at?" but it's still there by all means.

Honestly, pointing at the Quik/UGK/Raekwon/Mos Def axis is the rock critic/ILX/rap-blogger version of hilolarious "YOU'RE JUST NOT LOOKING HARD ENOUGH LISTEN TO REAL SHIT LIKE TALIB KWELI" comments

― eatin' spaghett' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, November 27, 2009 4:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I take that back, i read your comment wrong

I do think part of the problem is that no critics are really covering non-radio/non-backpack/non-newspeg rap. Like the Cormega album is really good and, honestly, who's gonna tell you that?

I can list 20 awesome rap records that came out in 2009, but no one gives a fuck about any of them--which means more to the "death of a genre" than the records just not existing at all

all of those hip-hop magazines...oh wait

xp

whats the state of the source/xxl? do they still exist? will they last long if they do? still mouring hhc dying tbh and now dont really know where to get a good hiphop recommendation bar occasionally checking cocaine blunts

rolling autogoon thread 2009

I can list 20 awesome rap records that came out in 2009, but no one gives a fuck about any of them--which means more to the "death of a genre" than the records just not existing at all

― eatin' spaghett' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, November 27, 2009 6:02 PM (1 minute ago)

aren't you just pointing to the quik/ugk/mos def axis then? honestly, it doesnt bother me that there's not a huge, agreed-upon great rap album this year. i like rap, and as long as good rap records continue to be made i could care less if they dont put up huge numbers (and they will, it's just a matter of time). it's almost better than every aunt and uncle in the country latching onto a just-ok record like carter III

ha ok yeah rolling autogoon as well.

Is this a good place to talk about the excellent, slept-on art-rap that even the indie critics who stump for quik/ugk (and the autogoon crew) won't touch?

Good a place as any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00W9zT1rZs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiEEitTx2GE

the excellent, slept-on art-rap that even the indie critics who stump for quik/ugk (and the autogoon crew) won't touch?

do you guys like blu and exile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go_GDg7pW0Q

Is 2009 Anti-Pop C. and Dahlek as good or better or different than what they were doing in 2002? Just asking, haven't heard their recent stuff (other than the videos posted above).

genre name mockery is the preserve of awful british comedians, cease and desist order.

I wouldn't say drastically different, but APC has gotten way funkier and Dalek way more layered and shoegazy

Conversely. the whole Pill/Freddie Gibbs/Juiceman axis is basically just the rap version of nitpicking over chillwave and glo-fi and, again, has little to no bearing on hip-hop at large.

― eatin' spaghett' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 27 November 2009 21:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

juiceman is nothing like pill/freddie gibbs and is yes "actually popular"

― ice cr?m hand job (deej), Friday, November 27, 2009 9:33 PM (19 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest

i think hip hop is getting a lot of slack from critics for falling out of the public eye and not having any huge hits or albums, while the quality of music hasn't changed drastically in the past few years. i think it has a lot to do with the fact that hip hop use to be really ubiquitous and unavoidable, so non-rap critics would keep clear account of what's going on with the sides of their eyes and now that it's dipped under the everpresent public eye it's suddenly like "where's all the good hip hop at?" but it's still there by all means.

― samosa gibreel, Friday, November 27, 2009 4:54 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

exactly. which is why whiney's hilarious assumptions about what is 'actually popular' is so ridic. juiceman is freddie gibbs? lol. if plies album had sold would it would have if we were in a '99 era for the music industry ... or dudes like jacka ... theres so much shit out there that is 'actually popular' that whiney is pretending bcuz hes not aware of it, lots of other ppl arent either.

also i totally dont understand the idea behind comparing a populist rapper to a critic/tastemaker created 'genre' like 'chillwave'

I'm definitely "not aware" of OJ Da Juiceman who I've talked about in this thread

Gucci is a "populist rapper" only on Planet Deej, come the fuck on now

Like he's been steadily on the rise for years, but he hasn't had a single even break Top 30 in Billboard. He's gonna be huge and everyone knows it, but dude has literally nothing to show so far except cosigns, guest spots, the MTV MCs circle jerk and sharing an XXL cover with three people.

That's not populist, that's cult hero.

And, yes, taking everyone of his shitty throwaway lines and deconstructing "OMG HE SAID PENGUIN" like it's fucking illmatic is as sad and pathetic as a what.cd message board slapfight about whether Memory Wave is better than Indian Tapes.

not sure who should get the serial poster award, you or deej

I feel this double one-way exchange is somehow emblematic of the discourse of Simon Reynolds.

He's gonna be huge and everyone knows it

GODDAMMIT WHAT IS "HUGE" AND WHO IS "EVERYONE"

You know, that one guy.

Gucci is a "populist rapper" only on Planet Deej, come the fuck on now

― eatin' spaghett' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, November 27, 2009 11:33 PM (Yesterday)

tbf all my white eight classes-taking friends are very aware of gucci's existence, which i was a bit surprised to learn myself

maybe they thought u meant populist fashion house gucci????

no disrespect unperson but "everyone" is people who at least pay a little attention to pop music, a group from which you've already admittedly excluded yourself