options for the offended 51

Jesus appears to be sitting on the banks of Lough Swilly there which is a bit of the Bible I wasn't aware of.

xp - because you & history mayne support the sb, and kate is against it - you are on opposite knees of jesus. Also, you said before that you were blond, I think.

does kinda look like me i guess

I'm fine with SB existing also, but what I am hating is the endless endless fucking whinging about it, jesus god on a pushbike.

Trayce the whinging is like the icing on the cake of suggest bans

Haha well thats a better way of looking at it!

anti-SB ppl need to come up with something better than "let the moderators moderate!" (since old-timers know that back when it was just mods making the call, the howling over the moderators not having the right to make choices that impact the community was just as loud, and would be again) as a solution imo

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:06 PM (6 hours ago)

I was anti-sb back before it was cool to be anti-sb, and there have been many suggestions made on how to modify the system to make it more workable. for instance, a poll is required to finalize somebody's sb ban. that wouldn't have saved deeznuts or gabbneb, but it would've reprieved tuomas and jordan maybe. then you can really claim it's the will of the people, until then I still think it's 51 touchy ppl.

another suggestion made numerous times by diff ppl is to implement something along the lines of a "suggest awes" button to offset sb clicks and help those who in total do more good than harm.

I'd given up engaging in these conversations because the mods are unyielding in their support of the system as it is, guess we all enjoy having the same one over and over.

I'd like the option to review and rescind any SBs I've made as I reckon a couple have been fucking up clicking the bookmark link next to it and okaying it without thinking. Also a few might have been heat of the moment 'fuck this guy' SBs that would look unnecessary and petty in the cold light of day (I'm pretty sure I SBed someone in haste for zinging the dead balloon kid before we knew he wasn't a dead balloon kid but the son of an arsehole).

I know it comes up in big red writing asking you to be really really sure etc but maybe we should be allowed to regret and retract an SB as much as a poster can regret and retract a dickish zing.

i think that would be a great feature. i also think that you should have to accrue more sbs for a second banning to counteract grumps who sb banned posters the instant they return.

^no evidence this actually occurs

geir is unbanned now btw

cold

^no evidence this actually occurs

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:09 PM (1 minute ago)

u sure? how do you explain LJ getting a handful within a day or two of coming back?

my statements were not actually related fwiw

well his opening salvo on returning was not terribly unlikely to go under the radar tbqh

u sure? how do you explain LJ getting a handful within a day or two of coming back?

sbing someone for starting a self-indulgent, word-y poll is cool fyi but zinging someone for making a self-indulgent, word-y poll - u deserve sb

Yes lets start a poll to debate a ban, and then lets start a poll when people dont like the results of the poll to debate the reults of the poll.

This is like the "should ILX be registered only" argt all over again.

FWIW I think SB should be used very sparingly for acts of real aggression and disrution - thats all I've ever used it for - but in order for us to exercise that voice, we have to bear the brunt of others using it more lightheartedly or scattershot.

erm i was joking abt 'banning' nrq for writing a review, for a magazine that has nothing to do w/ this borad, that i didn't happen to agree w/

hahahaha

http://www.msn-names.co.uk/emoticons/wall.gif @ this whole thing

guys, you should all just listen to max on that other thread

for those who haven't read the thread gbx is referring to:

HIS DICK, RODNEY!

― max (maxreax), Monday, January 15, 2007 12:23 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sb sucks f sb 2 good 4 this board

crut otm

I'd like the option to review and rescind any SBs I've made

― nearly 50 in vagina years (onimo), Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a super good idea - itd be cool to see who youve sbd in a collect them all sort of way

yes lets start a poll to debate a ban, and then lets start a poll when people dont like the results of the poll to debate the reults of the poll

you're right, clearly it's pointless to debate bans

no offense dude and i sympathize w/ your position but that's never gonna happen

no offense taken, whether that idea is good or bad is besides the point

the problem is having any constructive discussion about how to modify the current system is near impossible

yeah whatever you say

i think the two things i suggested upthread are pretty reasonable and doable

here's another idea: the receiver of an sb can see how many sb's a particular post has earned them, might help folks understand their problem areas

^i would be for this fwiw

the problem is having any constructive discussion about how to modify the current system is near impossible

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:13 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

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yeah whatever you say

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:17 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

I'd love to be proven wrong

but ppl make suggestions, we debate them, the mods say nothing's changing, more debate, thread gets locked, rinse & repeat

the changes that have been made to SB since it first came in (seeing which post it related to & who did it, deciding to expire SBs after 6 months) were borne out of these discussions

also there's nothing impossible about the discussions - people can and do discuss it til they have blue faces but the argument "SB sucks turn it off now" is going to continue to be ignored.

why?

because it's not going to be turned off

oh okay, because you said so

sure, if that makes you feel better

I mean the idea that we shouldn't even talk about the *theoretical idea* of one day not having the sb system is pretty silly.

this is not some normal msg board feature that can be taken for granted, it's a pretty bizarre way of getting things done and not universally considered a success...cept apparently by the mods.

this is not some normal msg board feature that can be taken for granted,

lool

of the two other boards i spend a reasonable amount of time on, one bans you temporarily after three infractions (which you could equate to SBs) and permanently after three temp bans. the other only requires a mod to agree with one person complaining. yeah, ilx's way of doing it perhaps isn't normal, in fact it gives a whole bunch more leeway afaics

Yeah I was gonna say - almost every other forum I'm on has "thumbs down" that knocks your posts offline, or bans you instantly without discussion if you break certain (very abitrary and weird) rules, or bans you after 3 strikes, or... etc etc etc. This is far and away - even with SB - the most lenient board I have ever been on.

Some forums ban you for reviving old threads!

MOST DISGUSTING SAVAGES

I suppose the only other way this might work more to peoples liking - and people can tell me this is stupid if they like - is to have a more specific ban-request system, whereby you lodge a complaint against a poster of specific forum rulebreaking.

Ie: you click sb and a page comes up that has options like "image flooding", "racism", "personal abuse", "consistent aggresive behaviour" or whatever. Mods review and decide to ban based on this. I dunno though. Its probably way too much work.

the changes that have been made to SB since it first came in (seeing which post it related to & who did it, deciding to expire SBs after 6 months) were borne out of these discussions

that's good to hear, but I've also been expecting this thread to get locked any minute now. it can't come as a surprise to you that ppl have the perception, wrong or not, of ilx as an environment that's not conducive to constructive criticism of the sb system.

of the two other boards i spend a reasonable amount of time on, one bans you temporarily after three infractions (which you could equate to SBs) and permanently after three temp bans. the other only requires a mod to agree with one person complaining. yeah, ilx's way of doing it perhaps isn't normal, in fact it gives a whole bunch more leeway afaics

― electrical audio's sm57 (electricsound), Friday, November 27, 2009 12:59 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah I was gonna say - almost every other forum I'm on has "thumbs down" that knocks your posts offline, or bans you instantly without discussion if you break certain (very abitrary and weird) rules, or bans you after 3 strikes, or... etc etc etc. This is far and away - even with SB - the most lenient board I have ever been on.

― hulk would smash (Trayce), Friday, November 27, 2009 1:04 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sbd u guys for reading other bords

so glad i don't post to other boards

i love constructive criticism! i (personally) don't like demands and ultimatums, and speaking for myself i ignore that sort of stuff completely. i think a few points raised have been worth considering..

one thing that strikes me out of all these discussions is that sometimes it seems like we're being told that the enjoyment of the board is taken away because one (or two) poster(s) are currently banned. which doesn't say much for all the people who aren't banned, and makes me feel like saying go and start your own board with all this banned guys. i might be projecting here tho

i gotta say my tolerance for trolling here has gone way up since spending time on other boards