options for the offended 51

so when i keep showing up and saying "the majority of suggest bans come from when people attack other posters out of the blue" over and over again, you dudes just think im lying to you or what

am willing to argue that "having unpopular opinions or being a weird dude" can comfortably, in the thread in which the assertion was made, be elided to "it's weird dudes who get the SB." if I end up at a press conference about this thread I will quote Lamp's post in full rather than referring to it.

xpost jjusten the anti-sb ppl don't believe you because they like the idea of sb as some evil villain striking down the creatives

this is just a natural progression--we worked our way thru all the ppl who were just dicks, we did ppl who register strong opinions in a less-than-graceful way, now we're just gonna do ppl who post a lot and aren't sweet and cheerful 100% of the time.

fuk u if u disagree or w/e

I have a hard time believing that j0rdan or kate were malicious to another poster out of the blue more than the majority of 51 times

"more than the majority" - excuse my english

anti-SB ppl need to come up with something better than "let the moderators moderate!" (since old-timers know that back when it was just mods making the call, the howling over the moderators not having the right to make choices that impact the community was just as loud, and would be again) as a solution imo

as for Lamp's "it's 'weird dudes' who get the SB" - you're kidding right?

deeznuts - annoying mb tried zinging ppl but more of punchingbag than some1 who attacked other posters
lou jagz - lol show your belly
t-dawg - lol sb debates
and what - sure, altho i think weve been told its for image bombing (rip dom passantino)
gabbneb 1.0 - lol yuppies
gabbneb 2.0 - yes, being a dick
cpt lorax - lol mental illness
cankles - racism; being a dick
doc morbius - lol leftist blogaments
bimble - well i mean
masonic boom - british chick
nrq - okay hes a dick but also one of the best posters
whiney - lol self-loathing
j0rdan - lol killing hippies

this is a list of ppl with difficult opinions and/or weird dudes (<3 but i mean) some of them could be dicks but realistically so can A LOT of posters including a # of our mods and u yourself

jj weve been told over and over that we dont deserve any transparency into what gets sb'd or by who because "it should be obv". and then u keep saying this "its about being a dick" stuff anytime someone gets banned - these two statements contradict each other imo

booming post

jj weve been told over and over that we dont deserve any transparency into what gets sb'd or by who because "it should be obv".

this is total bullshit, and if you don't stop making shit up to further some weird non-argument I'm going to ban you from this thread.

lamp breakin it down

uh lamp kinda otm imo but whatevs

xp - would it be more accurate to say that the people that have been sb-ed have all had a combination of dickishness/aggressiveness and an over the top posting style - in differing proportions, obviously.

i like sb as it is pretty much but it would be cool if there was a write-in thing where you could put a description of why you hit sb, which could eventually be made public or at least disclosed to the sb'ed while the sb'er remains anonymous. might also force people to think about it and maybe even change their mind about sb'ing that person

^^ heh, it could be like facebook's options for why you don't like an ad:

offensive
unintertesting
overly repetitive
irrelevant

yeah it could have radio buttons with common reasons and then maybe one for "other" like, i just think this person is a cockfarmer

this is total bullshit, and if you don't stop making shit up to further some weird non-argument I'm going to ban you from this thread.

dude i dont even no u but HI DERE and jjusten have said a couple of times that it should be clear to any posters getting 51'd what they do that annoys so many ppl w/o resorting to giving them specific examples - ive always agreed with that i just dont think that what say l.jagger does that gets under other poster's skin is "being a dick"

lol "making shit up" tho a+++ response v. constructive

Show me an example of either JJ or Dan telling anyone they don't "deserve" any transparency.

most schools don't give multiple plusses after an a u kno, u may want to revise that

xxp - i think more people sb-ed L0uis for having one - and going on about related issues, er, at length, than being one.

anti-SB ppl need to come up with something better than "let the moderators moderate!" (since old-timers know that back when it was just mods making the call, the howling over the moderators not having the right to make choices that impact the community was just as loud, and would be again) as a solution imo

howbout 'let the mods moderate but in a very laissez faire manner where banning is a last resort'? - I mean of the above posters, how many would have been banned on any msg board with traditional moderation? probably...cankles?

imo the sb system has been a pretty big failure and it seems like everyone but the mods is beginning to accept this.

this whole thing is just getting so patronizing. the poor silent majority can't protect itself? mods might let you back after 30 days and maybe even twice but maybe not it depends whether you learned your lesson? if somebody should be banned, they should be banned - if we really decide that 51 anonymous people is the best way to go about that, fine, but at least have consistency about it.

part of the reason there's no consistency is because we've wanted to make it work, and people have seen obvious flaws, so we've been chopping and changing as we go. that's why I'm saying we should leave it running unmeddled for a period till we can work out what's actually useful and unquestionably bust about it.

gd to see history mayne back from the land of monochrome, even if his 'white ribbon' review made me want to SB him

When does Geir get back from his exile in wastes of the icy north?

in the wastes, even

this whole thing is just getting so patronizing. the poor silent majority can't protect itself?

yeah seriously law-of-the-jungle ideology like this is exactly what the SB is great against. the notion that people should either learn to be dicks back to people who're being dicks to them, or in some way develop strategies against hostile, antagonizing posters, is bullshit. but it fact, the silent majority can project itself. by clicking the suggest ban button.

The problem with the silent majority is that they're fucking silent too fucking often.

Happy Thanksgiving!

by clicking the suggest ban button.

e.g. being dicks, anonymously

wait i.e.

I do think that if anyone clicks the SB button more than 10 times or so, a message should come up that says 'Wait - don't you think that you might be the problem here?'.

only if it then gave you an option to sb the system

http://www.p2fe.com/Silent_Majority_Badge_2.jpg

Stick that on your proud member.

But don't post a picture of it to the WDYLL thread.

It's all making sense now...from the proud silent members at www.narlo.org:

"We give inspirational speeches to groups of 50 or more on freedom, liberty, the constitution and property rights. For details contact us by telephone at 1 800 682-7848 or by e-mail at: i✧✧✧@na✧✧✧.o✧✧"

imo the sb system has been a pretty big failure and it seems like everyone but the mods is beginning to accept this.

I disagree pretty strongly with this! Not a mod etc.

get a badge etc

i disagree too

I disagree massively. SB is far from perfect but it's an improvement on unilateral modding imo, and I mean that without disrespect for the mods. As far as I can tell the SB system has made modding the boards a marginally less stressful job than it used to be, which means that reasonable people are more likely to be happy to do the job.

again, no disrespect, but is that the point? to make the mods' jobs easier?

to ban more people more efficiently

power to the people... ilx "proud silent member" avatar please

even if his 'white ribbon' review made me want to SB him

This is the fucking problem. SB'ing because of differing opinions. Engage the review, point out its flaws. Grapple with his taken position. State your own. Only press SB if you think someone is providing noise rather than signal. Critical comment is signal.

I am cool with the SB system because I never, ever think to click the button. It's there, unused, dormant, but its mere presence is placatory for many. Sadly, people rarely engage ideals of tolerance, community or broad-mindedness when they use it. They do so out of a Pavlovian response which dictates that a moment's disaffection ought to equal a lengthy ban.

People of ILX, press that button if and only if someone is directly and wilfully undermining your enjoyment of ILX, and only if they are showing signs of persisting in this behaviour. I know these words will fall on deaf ears, and I know a load of people will possibly SB this post for joeks (because invisible bans upon someone who isn't going to be 51'd ever, ever again are so lol-bringing), but please, try to look at it from the potential bannee's perspective. SB is there for a reason, and a dismally large number of you are misusing it.

hey dumbass he said it "made me want to SB him" not it "made me SB him" so basically he followed your guidelines

(Also, yes I know many SBs are given after someone has inadvertently annoyed a poster a number of times. Each annoyance, when taken in isolation, is trifling. At this juncture, I recommend a killfile or a gritted-teeth toleration. There will be other threads. Better still, let them know openly why they're being annoying, because subsequent persistence will be an SB'able offence under my proposed unofficial guidelines.)

(ha n/a but for many 'want to' becomes 'really does')

(Of course, this gets difficult, if what one poster perceives as intolerable and SB'able is deemed by the annoying poster as perfectly reasonable. Free speech issues are thus implicated and the whole thing gets too much for me to handle...just learn to live with each other kthxbi)

http://www.dropshots.com/photos/275370/20070419/004544.jpg

l-r: kate, lj, history mayne, harbl

why me???

^^ that post of mine could very well belong on posts very much in character thread.

no, but that one could

get a board you two

i have sb'd sarahel for her own good.

she needs a break

needin' some of this:
http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/ohyea3.gif

save it for your comeback

Haha, that nabisco post about Tristram Shandy and How I Met Your Mother is funny and insightful. I wonder if there are any other examples like that in contemporary pop culture.

This is a terrible time to be a mod, and I'm glad I'm not one. Not that any one poster is just completely insufferable, but the idea of reading so much of ilx is almost upsetting.

Not that I ever would be elected to be one or want to be one.

hint hint

As a mod you can post as different user names. I envy mods this ability.

lol

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gr3uCNxPTu4/SuPOj5rPBII/AAAAAAAACaM/_p5K8kVLbzQ/s400/Sutherland-body-snatcher.jpg

Awesome!

No, not even for twatson, forks.

i cannot parse that?

Oh, I thought you meant - never mind.

"Deleting unused users and clearing old suggest bans"

ayo can i get a list of unused users?

needin' some of this:

COOL AIDMAN NEEDS YOU BABY

Kool Aids Man Day

cool aidman???

cool aidsylangston