Wire - 154: Classic or Dud?

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I heard Michael Bolton's "Said I Love You and I Lied" on the bus to work this morning. It sounded exactly like "I Should Have Known Better."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is that a lame argument

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yr deaf sorry

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel mean! I should've read yr second post.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

A deaf person criticising records may actually be ILM's greatest achievement

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Allowing muso musicians to comment might be ILM's second greatest achievement.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I was serious, kinda!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

154 = Pretty Brilliant to say the least.

Also, word from the Wire camp is that Bruce Gilbert has left the group, leaving Wire mark 3 in jeopardy. Colin's Githead album will be out this year though...

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Classic. I can't seem to get into anything else by Wire, though. I suppose it's because they never made anything darker in sound.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Oddly enough, we heard this on a road trip this weekend. The two Wire fans in the car yelled, "TURN THIS SHIT DOWN!"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

'tis true that some people who claim to be Wire fans don't like this album

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Send: Check the lp version, all the tracks are 'redux' i.e. edited down to their basic essences, and all the missing tracks off the "Read and Burn" are included. I should get this, one of these days.
-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), September 23rd, 2004 1:46 PM. (link)


Funny, I thought I typed this in last month... (Still haven't got the REDUX yet, suffice to say)

-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), March 14th, 2005 9:32 AM. (link)

Funny, I thought I typed that in 6 months ago. (I do have the REDUX now, suffice to say I've played it once. Boy am I backed up with stuff thesedays. I blame that 1981 box)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 July 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I wish I could explain what it feels like to suddenly, clearly see the full value of an album you first tried very hard to get into about 17-18 years ago and just couldn't see it. And I tried in 2001-2 as well, and just couldn't see it. And now it's all very clear. And I can't put that into words, what that feels like.

Tomato Voyeur (Bimble...), Saturday, 14 January 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

it's the exact same thing i had with "always now" by section 25, bimble. i know precisely what you mean.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 14 January 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

What ever happened to Stormy? I loved his remarks upthread.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
SO RAD

Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Send: Check the lp version, all the tracks are 'redux' i.e. edited down to their basic essences, and all the missing tracks off the "Read and Burn" are included. I should get this, one of these days.
-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), September 23rd, 2004 1:46 PM. (link)

Funny, I thought I typed this in last month... (Still haven't got the REDUX yet, suffice to say)

-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), March 14th, 2005 9:32 AM. (link)


Funny, I thought I typed that in 6 months ago. (I do have the REDUX now, suffice to say I've played it once. Boy am I backed up with stuff thesedays. I blame that 1981 box)

-- mark grout (mark.grou...) (webmail), July 4th, 2005 2:36 PM. (link)

Happy birthday, that message.

I have played it a fair bit now, and it's excellent stuff. More than the actual 'normal' CD funnily enough.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

So dud, although I heard "The 15th" this weekend and remembered it was my favorite Wire Mach I song.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

classic - the Sgt. Pepper's of punk(/postpunk)

lyrically/vocally I see it as something to work through, beyond (kill this buddha, the road leads on)
love "Blessed State" though - an all time fave:
"loved in the flesh, but butchered in the mind"

sonically awesome - production masterpiece + terrific hooks and sounds.
much Cocteau Twins seems a worthy continuation of parts of 154 -
e.g. intro to "A Touching Display"

one review at the time (Rolling Stone?) read: Wire, Get Out Of Marienbad (!!!)

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

presumably a writer who found the earlier albums less(?!) abstract?

Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

eh - not a dud, but totally worse than PF and CM

SQUARECOATS (plsmith), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

best album evah

are the PF/CM/154 remasters worth getting?

jabba hands, Friday, 1 June 2007 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Still interminable.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 1 June 2007 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd take Pink Flag over Young & The Hopeless now, but it's close. I'd take Good Morning Revival over 154 by a mile though.

da croupier, Friday, 1 June 2007 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I will call 154 the Sgt. Pepper's of punk(/postpunk), though. The Sgt. Pepper's of punk(/postpunk) SCREWED & CHOPPED.

da croupier, Friday, 1 June 2007 05:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Or maybe The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway of punk(/postpunk)

da croupier, Friday, 1 June 2007 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Still interminable.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, June 1, 2007 3:02 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

kind of redundant

s1ocki, Friday, 1 June 2007 05:41 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I'm coming towards the end of my first ever listen to this record. Feeling pretty chuffed tbh.

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Dome next then Louis?

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Also upthread: enthusiastic British poster of my own current age gushing untempered praise, seen here before inevitable transformation into laconic cynical antiamerican who makes improper jokes about gun control

Dome? Is that Wire's 4th album?

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Dome was a Graham Lewis side project.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Lewis and Gilbert's side project and generally well worth your attention.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

But don't expect it to be anything like Wire

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't mind things that don't sound like other things.

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Then you will do well...

MaresNest, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link

who's this pre-ilm-makeover british poster you refer to?

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Some say his name is...MP4xA

but I am loathe to believe them

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link

*loath

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link

grr

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link

what happened to sundar?

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Still shows up now and again

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Did you like "Map Reference..." JGO? It's my favourite Wire song.

Neil S, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

the 15th is one of my fav songs ever recorded

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link

That's great too!

Neil S, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

ya map reference is rly gd but then so is the whole album

shouldn't rly pick a favourite but maybe "i should have known better" is edging it atm

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Sunday, 9 November 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link

"the 15th" is timeless brilliance, mind

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Sunday, 9 November 2008 21:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm rly falling for the tuneful ones like those two and "a mutual friend", sheesh, i feel like i'm cheating or something

but "a touching display" is mega-awes along with the vast majority of the rest so that's probably ok

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Sunday, 9 November 2008 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Two People in a Room is fantastic.

z "R" s (Z S), Sunday, 9 November 2008 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Music to gnash teeth and rip seams to

z "R" s (Z S), Sunday, 9 November 2008 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a great bit of musical panic, superbly sequenced between the showstopping opener and the gorgeous, relaxing 3rd. 15th. Whatever. It's a great complacency-destroying song.

restraint and blindness (Just got offed), Sunday, 9 November 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link


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