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No, but they have intrigued me, so I guess I ought to investigate.

― George the Animal Steele, Sunday, 12 February 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm just intrigued that someone else here has heard the Stretchheads.

― LoneNut, Monday, 13 February 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

c'mon, i'm sure many of us have heard the stretchheads. "pish in yr sleazebag" was a bargain bin staple for years.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, maybe I should've said that Esoteric sound about as 'drugged' or 'spacy' as any metal I've heard, but whatevs, listen to 'Metamorphogenesis' and tell me that it isn't a deeply psychedelic record. I mean, the solos would totally work in the context of, say, the improv tracks on 'Yeti'!

― Alan N (Alan N), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Or let's continue to be pedantic about words like 'psych' and 'metal' instead. FUN.

― Alan N (Alan N), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

ESOTERIC IS PSYCHEDELIC. METAL IS PSYCHEDELIC.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link

NO WAY, THE POST-PSYCH BOOGIE INFLUENCE IS FAR MORE PRONOUNCED.

― Alan N (Alan N), Monday, 13 February 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

one two records that might appeal to "art-metallers" are albums on Cuneiform by the now-defunct Japanese band Happy Family. Especially, on the first (s/t from 1995), they play a mix of metal and avant-prog (King Crimson, Magma, Ruins), all instrumental, and when it's good, it's great

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 13 February 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

yeh what i actually meant by psychedelic is microhouse.
similarly by time signatures i mean like morris day and the time with that linn drum sound and the handclaps

― bob snoom (vestibule), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Genghis Tron - Cloak Of Love (Crucial Blast)

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I just got the Flying Luttenbachers' Spectral Warrior Mythos, Vol. 1 EP in the mail. Seven songs, 24 minutes, with Mick Barr on guitar. Recommended to arty types and metal types both.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm very much into this canadian band called MARE, that is on hydrahead records. to me, they sound like black sabbath + the beach boys + the thrones + the eye of sauron. (from the lord of the rings) if you can't dig the eye of sauron part of the equation, substitute a dying horse in it's place. (the singer has this incredible texture in his voice) as far as i know, they have one 5 song s/t ep out and 1 melvins cover on the melvins tribute album and that's it.

http://www.mare.ca
http://www.hydrahead.org/hh/mp3s/they_sent_you.mp3

― 6335, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link

they sound like black sabbath + the beach boys + the thrones + the eye of sauron. (from the lord of the rings) if you can't dig the eye of sauron part of the equation, substitute a dying horse in it's place.

Wow! Yuck!!

― George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

..but don't take my word for it [/lavar]

― 6335, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

So, can somebody explain to me why the title of this thread is not just "Art Metal"? It's completely redundant, right? Or it supposed to be funny? Or am I missing something? Like, is the thread-titler saying art-metal is NOT actually metal? Maybe if somebody spells this out, I will be a bit less dumbfounded by the thread's mere existence.

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I gotta give the thumbs down to Mare. Didn't like 'em at all. It was probably the Beach Boys stuff.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

this actually DID make me laugh, though:

> by time signatures i mean like morris day and the time with that linn drum sound and the handclaps

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

And actually, snoom DOES distinguish between "art metal" and "real metal" in his first post. So maybe that answers the question, I dunno. (Though it also sounds like he hasn't heard much real metal.)

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i only hear pretend metal.
this is mainly to do with my ears where the knitting has come apart and all the stringy bits of wool hang out

― bob snoom (vestibule), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

attention art-metal shoppers:

Ocrilim (aka Mick Barr) "Anoint" (I and Ear Records) - Mick Barr (Orthrelm) continues his penchant to create entirely new bands for each of his outings, now he introduces us to Ocrilim. If you have heard the Orthrelm album you know that you'll either find it genius or entirely maddening, Ocrilim takes Orthrelm one step further losing the drums and turning in a guitar only rock opera.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I can't wait for that.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe if somebody spells this out, I will be a bit less dumbfounded by the thread's mere existence.

At least this thread doesn't have the guy claiming that listening to heavy metal increased his intelligence. Be thankful for small mercies.

― George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh good, bob's still here.

Check out Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, dude. I don't think you will be disappointed.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum is pretty good, especially live.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like that Mare ep. Looking forward to a full length album from them.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

>Check out Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, dude. I don't think you will be disappointed. <

I sure was. Their album sucked. Not sure I can remember off hand *how* it sucked; tried to block it from my memory, but I kinda recall assorted Tom Waitish cabaret bullshit mixed into other shtick. Yuck.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Packaging was ugly as fuck too.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i thought that sleepytime album sucked too. i had a hard time getting thru it. i do think that moe! staino is a cool dude though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh man! You guys are killing me. Which CD did you hear? The first one with "Sleep Is Wrong", "Sleepytime", and "Powerless"?. Subjective taste is a mindblower. I cannot imagine actively disliking that album. Now the live one, maybe. And the new "Of Natural History" was a bit weak, but I just saw them about a month ago and oh, MAN... So maybe give 'em a chance live if the records don't move you.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

The sucky one I heard was sort of yellow (at least on its cardboard pre-release sleeve) and had a couple dogs or something sniffing around on its cover. What was that called? And Sleeve, what do you like about them? To me they sounded more like a thespian performance art troupe than a rock band (and that's WITHOUT seeing them live!)

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, so DEP and Crytopsy haven't been mentioned yet?

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost-

That's the newer one, xhuxk.

Well, the thing I like about them most is Carla Kilstedht, honestly. Her violin and singing is a thing to behold, she also plays in Tin Hat Trio. After that, I dig the prog-rock complexity of their arrangements and the bass-heavy, metal-esque way they approach the execution of the songs. Then there's the appeal of their unique-sounding homemade instruments, their unified look in concert, and the odd cabaret diversion (I LIKE the cockroach song).

They remind me of some unholy alliance between Queen, Mad Max, Metallica, and 20's surrealism. Plus, they are extremely nice people, which oftens counts more with me than it maybe should.

What can I say? I've probably seen them a dozen times and am on their mailing list. So I'll just say going to see them might be worthwhile even if the albums don't click with you.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

sleepytime gorilla museum are fantastic musicians and a very tight band, but i'm not a big fan of their actual musical output either. i agree that they are extremely nice people. great stage presence and cool homemade instruments, too. i wanted to like them....

― 6335, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum just signed with The End Records, FYI.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I find their change to The End Records a bit odd. The End Records is a pretty solid metal label/distributor, but I don't quite see them being in line with Sleepytime Gorilla Museum- their presence on Web of Mimicry made sense, and I wonder what compelled them to leave and sign to The End. It's a pretty big coup for The End.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Sleepytime is an excellent band. It's like an RIO metal band with a cabaret and street folk vibe. They're not for everyone, since they're too disjointed and strange for most metalheads and far too heavy and ugly for rock fans. They're basically designed for a very small avant garde niche crowd. If you go in expecting a rock band you're going to be very disappointed as they're NOT a rock band.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

They are however extremely heavy live, a lot more brutal than a conventional metal band, albeit in a more jarring dissonant (RIO) way than you might expect from a densely packed death metal sound.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

i wasn't expecting anything. i got a cd in the mail one day. it was bad. not saying they can't be entertaining live though. i've never seen them.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

What's "RIO"? You mean like Duran Duran??

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

And I like plenty of stuff that's way weirder than that Sleepytime CD. My problem wasn't that it was weird; it's that they didn't seem very good at it. (But again, yeah, I've yet to see them live either.)

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

the cd seemed kinda old-tymey to me. like a new foetus record or something. and like foetus, i get the whole heavy industrial cabaret thing, but it's not something i really want to listen to. unless it's 1984. and that would be impossible. and speaking of 1984, moe! bought a rat at rat r album off of me on ebay years ago and he liked my description of the record so much that he sent me a copy of a single he had put out which was really nice of him. and the single had melt banana and the flying luttenbachers on it. in keeping with this thread.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

By RIO, I mean Rock in Opposition.

Henry Cow, Samla Mammas Manna, Univers Zero, Art Bears etc. were bands in the "movement." SGM have a certain fondness for the sound (particularly Henry Cow and Art Bears) and you can hear it in their arrangements.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard things weirder than Sleepytime as well, but they're not really weird for weirdness sake in my opinion. They are pretty intense though. Their live shows are definitely better than the live material. Their albums can seem a bit anemic comparatively.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

er album material.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno, everything everybody has said in favor of them on this thread screams "annoying novelty band" (homemade instruments, gulp!) but i did like an art bears LP once, so who knows? (it was *winter songs*. wish I still owned it. dagmar krause was even more geddy lee than geddy lee. speaking of art-metal. also, didn't she or they have some connection with slapp happy? i actually put "everybody's slimmin' [even men and women]" in my top ten singles list in 1983 or whatever year it was that it came out. i believe i also voted for "nuclear war" by sun ra that year! speaking of art non-metal. ha ha, i was so wacky then.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, and come to think of it, i think i also voted for "compulsion"/"pulsations" by test dept that year! (speaking of art-metal made out of actual sheets of metal.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Banging on metal/homemade instruments = Z'ev to thread. There once was a time when I bought Z'ev records and said I liked them. That was twenty years ago. I didn't mean it. It's a common phenomenon with boys. Better Z'ev than have to join the military and have it beaten out of you in basic.

― George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I bought Test Dept and Neubauten records while I was IN the military,

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Dagmar Krause was Slapp Happy's singer, which is how she was co-opted into Henry Cow and then the Art Bears.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh, "annoying novelty band" is a very subjective concept. Someone might actually genuinely like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum while being a perfectly sensible music enthusiast. People might see a gimmick there, but I actually like their music and find parts of it genuinely moving and I've never been into being different as an end in itself. I like straight pop and metal.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

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