does tom petty have any redeeming qualities?

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He's a weird one to quantify commercially. For most of the eighties Petty seemed more popular than he really was because MTV constantly played his videos; meanwhile his album and single sales consistently sold less than Coog's

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Mixed Emotions" >>>> "I Won't Back Down"

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah the fact that petty has a video vanguard award always flies against his "KEEPIN IT REAL, M'MAN" shtick. Also that he did that arms dealer's daughter's bat mitzvah with 50 cent

xpost oh i can't agree with that

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

arms dealer's daughter's bat mitzvah with 50 cent
haha, what?

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

I have to admit liking Tom Petty via King of the Hill.

^^^this. Lucky is such an awesome character

Gimme That Christian Side-hug, that Christian Side-hug (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

xpost

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

sorry not arms dealer, war profiteer

da croupier, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

This weirdly makes me like Tom Petty a little less and 50 cent a little more.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

rappers' amorality is *~endearing~*

jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol I wonder if Tom told 50 about how rap isn't "music"

Gimme That Christian Side-hug, that Christian Side-hug (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

You don't want to read his thots on angel whores with guitars, all of which are collected in Conversations With...

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

man, Tom was getting so much love on ILM lately. And now he's a rap-hatin', war-profiteerin', whiney jerk.

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

I still like'em, but he's such a fun target.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

stevie nicks apparently is also down with the war profiteers...

jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

I would like to hear "go shorty, it's your bat mitzvah" if it was ever leaked.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

playing obscene rich person/corporate events is one of the open dirty secrets of working musicians, isn't it?

goole, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 22:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

i don't really see what's objectionable in that article. i've read petty being a dick about prefab pop stars and that kind of thing before -- yr standard rockist complaints -- but there isn't even really any of that in there. there's some doofy stuff said by the writer, but it's not at all clear it comes from petty. and i think the decibel guy is taking the "one of the best bands" lines somewhat wrong -- i think he's mostly big-upping his band (and campbell in particular), and at their best the heartbreakers really were great.

also tho this line

Mr. Petty has written from a female perspective on a surprising number of songs

is something i was thinking about during our recent run of petty polls, and i think it does help account for his large female audience. "american girl" is a sort of unusual song for a male rock dude to write, because she's not some object of desire, the whole song is from inside her head. and even on something like "woman in love," which is from the guy's perspective, the woman is complex, not just some witch, and the failure is mostly on the guy's part ("i don't understand the world today/ i don't understand what she needed").

hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 00:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

His other great subject is people fucking with his head ("Breakdown," "Don't Come Around Here No More," "Jammin' Me," etc) -- a universal sentiment.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

fortunately he's written many more great pop songs than fucking Timberlake.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 00:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

He's also been recording music for thirty years.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 00:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

the woman is complex, not just some witch

and she's always been so hard to figure out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ytcQW93yrU

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 01:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

Maybe that's an allusion to the Eagles "Witchy Woman"?

QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 02:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Dylan's voice + Roger McGuinn's voice = Tom Petty's voice

yes?

lukevalentine, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 07:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

I also hear some Gene Clark in his phrasing, at times.

QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 14:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

hey i was really into "mixed emotions" as a kid

yeah i was like 12 when it came out and i do remember liking it. but i was probably a little abnormal. somewhere around 7th grade i mothballed all my pop and 80s hair metal cassettes and began listening almost exclusively to beatles/dylan/early stones/zep for about 2 years. i'm certain i was unbearable.

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 15:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

o yeah, still listened to a lot of rap (that i could get my hands on, that is. parental advisory stickers etc had become a really Big Deal iirc)

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 15:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

He's not Sarah Palin--that always counts for something. (Even though he wasn't-Sarah-Palin long before anyone had ever heard of Sarah Palin.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 15:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

What is it with Mick and leotards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdJzLpWFYJ4

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 16:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

what the fuck @ this thread title

i bet you listen to 1st wave emo

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

i srsly get confused when this thread title comes up

underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

When I think of flower power, I think of Bryan Adams.

Band Fag X (u s steel), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 07:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

i bet you listen to 1st wave emo

Not if you read the post. More like the standard anti-white-guys-with-guitars-attitude.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

He's not Sarah Palin

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:43 (eight years ago) Permalink

^ I meant to italicize that quote from above and add a sarcastic, "No, I don't suppose he is." And I have failed at that.

I like some of Petty's songs very much, for what it's worth.

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

important questions:

-- does tom petty have any redeeming qualities?
-- the pope: catholic, or what?
-- bears shit in the woods, y/n?

women are a bunch of dudes (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

Well, polar bears don't.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:32 (eight years ago) Permalink

jess totally listens to first wave emo i'm pretty sure

he's a beast, he's a dog, he's a muthafuckin' viking (some dude), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

That live 4CD Tom Petty box that came out last year is fucking great. First of all, the performances are from a twenty-plus year span but sound like they could have all been recorded at the exact same gig; second of all, you can get it for like $22 at Target. Highly recommended.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i still need to get that live box ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

ug threads like this up top are the worst of the "good old days" of ILM

you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

ug threads like this up top are the worst of the "good old days" of ILM

i wonder what jess thinks now?

you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

best answer:

Good god Jess, have you never been in a CAR?
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Brio, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

there was a curious form of anti-rockism that was actually anti-popism

you better check that sausage before you put it in the rofl (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

More like anti-boringmusicism.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah petty's ok. josh otm.

goole, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Blimey, this thread. So old, people posted with their real names!

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

They probably used real instruments too.

cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

We carved out our posts on petrified papyrus.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

the heartbreakers are a terrific band, even on songs i don't really like mike campbell comes up with something really distinctive -- he might be a better melodicist than his band leader.

goole, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:50 (eight years ago) Permalink


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