... this seems as good a time as any to advance my unpopular and discredited theory that the first electronic album is in fact a perfect companion-piece to "technique".
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I won't disagree. The first Electronic album got met into New Order in the summer of '91.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
ah, the summer of '91. bliss was it in that dawn to be alive ... actually, no, hang on, i was probably deeply mired in teenage angst.
still. great soundtrack for it.
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link
"Everyone Everywhere" and "Regret" notwithstanding, nothing on Republic's as good as "Get The Message," "Some Distant Memory," "Tighten Up," "The Patience of a Saint," "Getting Away With It," or "Reaction."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Electronic played a set opening for Depeche out here in LA in 1990, a year before the album came out, and I'm pretty sure they did "Patience of a Saint" since Neil and Chris joined them on stage (they very definitely did do "Getting Away With It").
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Son of a gun, they did do it -- here's the tracklist for that first ever show:
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=537&bid=332
And yes I bought a T-shirt which I still have, with a big pink slanted star on the front and a bit on the back near the top saying it was Electronic's first show anywhere etc.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link
nothing on Republic's as good as "Get The Message," "Some Distant Memory," "Tighten Up," "The Patience of a Saint," "Getting Away With It," or "Reaction."
"reaction"?
also: regardless of whether or not i agree (i don't) ... where's "gangster", one of barney's most gobsmacking moments? :)
― grimly fiendish, Sunday, 25 May 2008 09:37 (fifteen years ago) link
er, "Reality," not "Reaction."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 25 May 2008 13:21 (fifteen years ago) link
So the question is -- has the sound been improved by the remaster?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Not that I can hear.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link
hear hear
― redmond, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Now this is an album I can get behind. Granted, I haven't heard it in 10 years. But it's one of those albums I bought the week it came out. (I can remember the local music press slagging it off as "New Order sell out" or some such nonsense.)
I can never decide between this and LowLife though.
― Sampling Potter's Nipples (Masonic Boom), Monday, 8 December 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Brotherhood >>>> Lowlife
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 08:41 (fifteen years ago) link
25 years old today!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.xfm.co.uk/xfm-25-brotherhood-by-new-order
worth listening to
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Cool, thanks!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Never understood why even so many new order fans find this record somewhat mediocre, whereas I think it's their pinnacle. Listening to it again for first time in ages, when I got to this track, I started searching for the words to describe the effect this music has on me, without much success, although for some reason the phrase 'effortless grace' popped into my mind (during the wonderful last minute). Then I recalled there was an ancient ILM thread about Brotherhood, that I'd read once a decade ago, and reading it again, in reference to the very song Way of Life, I was amazed to see the following:
"Simple moments, simple songs but it all combines and recombines, and again, it's like...why NOT rock this way, with such grace and power all at once? So apparently effortless, like watching a massive airplane take off into the sunset with no extraneous noise and no exhaust."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahhx9MiHGmA
― Campari G&T, Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:11 (eleven years ago) link
You told me about yourself,How you once lived with someone elseThe way of life that you had triedThe way they hurt you deep insideThat's the only thing about itI can't find anyone to doubt itThat's the only thing about itI can't find anyone to doubt itWho do you think you're talking to?When I look at you I know you're lyingAll you say and doSeems to fall apart and leave you crying
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 February 2019 03:56 (five years ago) link
Their last great album IMO
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 February 2019 04:04 (five years ago) link
Nonsense
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 2 February 2019 08:17 (five years ago) link
Brotherhood is pretty underrated but Technique is mostly just an even better version of it
― ufo, Saturday, 2 February 2019 09:01 (five years ago) link
As i posted waaay upthread aeons ago - "Technique" is fine but too in thrall to house music and Ecstasy. Not a bad album but also not entirely the New Order I knew and loved up til then.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:55 (five years ago) link
I wasn't really into rolling snare fills with my melodicas.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link
"Fine Time" is the only track that's really like that and it's an endearing mess but not my favourite
it has a similar guitar-based and synth-based split to Brotherhood, they're just all mixed together instead of being one side guitars and one side synths
i'll take "Round & Round", "Mr. Disco", "Vanishing Point" and "Dream Attack" over Brotherhood side two (even though that has "Bizarre Love Triangle") and "All The Way", "Love Less" and "Run" are far better than Brotherhood side one
― ufo, Saturday, 2 February 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
Brotherhood would have a better reputation if its production values were as pristine as Technique's.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
"Technique" is fine but too in thrall to house music and Ecstasy. Not a bad album but also not entirely the New Order I knew and loved up til then.
thanks Geirbot
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
how can the album be in thrall to house music and Ecstasy when five tracks are rock songs? Unless you meant house and Ecstasy brought them to their songwriting peak.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
All Day Long is probably the best NO track in my dumb opinion. I haven't heard anything that sounds quite like that one.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link
"Your Silent Face" does something similar imo
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:39 (five years ago) link
very true
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:40 (five years ago) link
"All the Way" too.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Tuesday, February 5, 2019 2:00 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nice try but ... nah.
Alfred - I feel those influences blanded out their sound somehow. All the interviews I remember from that time talked of endless partying in Ibiza and the influence of the cool new stuff they'd been hearing when they went out to the island's clubs. I just heard - and hear - a glossy record missing the roughness and fire of the releases that led up to it. Sorry folks, I don't really like my New Order slick.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
so you don't like slick and glossy?
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
Not with New Order, no.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:20 (five years ago) link
the New Order albums i'm not down w/as much are Get Ready and WFTSC. Music Complete brought me back, moreso after seeing the songs performed live.
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:37 (five years ago) link
and they still are! Lots of them!
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:59 (five years ago) link
I have a strange relationship with this album. I think back when I got it I was aware that it was the highest Xgau rated New Order album besides "Substance" (maybe he gave it an A?), but it's probably the one I went back to the least when I had them all. Not bad, definitely a good record, sounds a bit like a computer built out of cardboard.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
nah I love it and I love its rough sound; it wasn't deliberate, but it reassured the rockists worried that after PCL and LL they'd moved too close to the dance floor. It was the last classic-era album I bought in 1992, and it shocked me with its guitar-bass-drums base.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
According to Wikipedia, Bizarre Love Triangle didn't chart in either the UK or the US - although my memory was that it was everywhere at the time!
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 01:42 (five years ago) link
In Miami the Shep Pettibone remix was a part of life from 1987-1993. Then after the Frente! revival I heard a different remix. But, yes, it was not an official single.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 01:43 (five years ago) link
"all day long" >>>>>>
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:12 (four years ago) link
i think i really love this record now, it's great, singles band my ass
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:14 (four years ago) link
it's very closely their second best behind technique imo, so good
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:17 (four years ago) link
"All Day Long" was my favourite when it was new(-ish -- bought it shortly before "True Faith" arrived). The variations on the basic theme in the coda just sounded luvly to 12-y/o ears.
That was my first NO purchase and I was confused. Not much of it sounded like "Bizarre Love Triangle" and the lyrics seemed kinda half-baked, even to a Duran Duran fan. LOL. Took me a little while to realise that that was part of the charm and that most of their albums are a loveable mess. I have no idea how to rank them these days, though I guess I must have for that poll a few years ago.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 06:51 (four years ago) link
"way of life"/"bizarre love triangle"/"all day long" is such a great sequence
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 07:08 (four years ago) link
I loved All Day Long. To me PCL, Low Life and Brotherhood were three perfect albums. I know Technique was also great but I think I had moved on by the time it was released
― Dan S, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 07:10 (four years ago) link
It was definitely, quantifiably everywhere in Aus. Top 5 apparently, from the same source, and #1 here in Victoria. Certainly felt like everyone dug it that (southern) summer. My neighbour had the 12" with "Bizarre Dub Triangle" on the flipside and quite a few people enjoyed/endured my tape dub with several versions back to back.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 07:19 (four years ago) link