SPIN Top 40 Of 2003

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Chuck, aren't you the guy who discounted Joe S. Harrington's P&J ballot because none of the records were "new"?

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, as long as we're making exceptions....

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

>um, no offense, Phil, but your tastes are, how we say, *specialized*

My tastes are, but my listening isn't, really. Well, not totally; I don't listen to the radio, ever, but I watch MTV every day.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

On the other hand -- and I guess this is Matos's point, which makes sense -- that Eminem single or White Stripes album basically strikes of Spin covering their stupid asses, since they'd missed the records (assuming they did, I forget) the year before. The obvious solution would be to run the poll LATER. But they're so obsessed with being FIRST (just like all the magazines who only review albums the week that they came out) that being SMART doesn't matter to them, I guess. (Actually, I wonder if it's an advertiser-driven decision: i.e., getting the lists into the store while people are still doing Xmas shopping. I have no evidence for this, but it wouldn't surprise me.)

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

unjust cuz evanescence deserved to make either the albums or singles lists!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

>>Chuck, aren't you the guy who discounted Joe S. Harrington's P&J ballot because none of the records were "new"?<<

Nah, the stupid fuck didn't list any record labels for all those 25 year old albums, and I didn't want to waste my time looking them up, basically. If you're gonna be a moron, at least DO YOUR WORK, you know?

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think the Eminem thing is about them "covering their asses" - SPIN has been worshipping Eminem for the past three or four years now. I'm pretty sure that every one of his albums have made their year end list, mostly in the top 10.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

>I don't think the Eminem thing is about them "covering their asses" - SPIN has been worshipping Eminem for the past three or four years now. I'm pretty sure that every one of his albums have made their year end list, mostly in the top 10<

Exactly. So they couldn't afford to miss this one. Which was my pint. (Though I bet it had more to do with THAT SONG than with Eminem. It's not like ever single he's ever made has placed on their lists, right?)

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

that's pretty much it, Chuck. I mean, I have a year-end thing coming up too but I'm in the more privileged position of having most of the year instead of 3/4 of it behind me to make sure stuff gets covered. (well, actually, "what gets covered" depends on what my writers decide to cover, but you know what I mean.) so no, I don't envy Spin that way at all. but it seems so egregious to have "Lose Yourself" or White Blood Cells on those lists way after the fact--everyone knows those artists are Spin-endorsed because they're on the fucking cover every other month!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

xpost, obviously

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, maybe the reason I'm not being so kneejerkedly anti-Spin this time is because at least, unlike last year, they didn't fill up their list with Janes Addiction/Weezer/Audioslave/Chili Peppers/Or-Whoever type '90s alt-rock hasbeens. Which is an improvement of sorts.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, how obscure were Harrington's picks?

Judging by his Top 100 Greatest Albums list, he seems pretty obsessed with canonical boomer rock.

Also: I misunderstood your implication of "covering their asses," sorry.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Except for Broadcast and the still-sorta-undecided Tenth Slot (it was Lyrics Born for a while, but now I'm considering changing it to MF Doom's Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain or Sean Paul), all of my Top Ten albums of '03 are on the list. (They have my top eight, though my #1 is ranked pretty low.)

Good to see !!! on the singles list, but no Junior Senior = TRASH.

Matos: you only have one toenail on your left foot? What the hell?

nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

that Harrington list makes the Rolling Stone 500 look like . . . a decent list!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe Charles Aaron was considering the fact that "Lose Yourself" won an Academy Award in 2003. That could be part of the reasoning.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

Nate, I'll show you when I come to Mpls for Xmas, it's really gnarly!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

>Chuck, how obscure were Harrington's picks?<

I forget, but not especially, I don't think. I mean, I think he even put the Sex Pistols on there. So the list was not only a dumb music-sucks-these-days statement, it was also completely boring about it.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

haha Joe S. Harrington in boring shockah!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

Re: Women Rock the Front Stage

I didn't even bother to address this earlier in the thread because this is the Donnas', what, SIXTH album. And the Distillers' THIRD. AND BOTH bands have been selling out and headlining shows in clubs for years. That and it's a stupid fucking thing to say to begin with. "Women In Rock are Back." Fucking die, please. But it doesn't piss me off half as much as Stone's insistence to put Eve, Mary J. etc. on the cover of this year's Women In Rock issue. For fuck's sake, change the issue to WOMEN IN MUSIC. Drives me NUTS.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

And by the way, I fully intend on putting Cyndi Lauper's new album on my Pazz & Jop ballot because it's the most beautiful-zany thing that's hit my ears all year.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

(I don't know why the hell I decided that this thread needed that last post.)

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Um, not to defend Joe Harrington, but these are hardly "canonical":


15. The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get-Joe Walsh
16. Slayed?-Slade
18. Bridge of Sighs-Robin Trower
28. Fool for the City-Foghat
49. Thick as a Brick-Jethro Tull
55. Straight Shooter-Bad Company
57. Lights Out-UFO
63. Frampton Comes Alive-Peter Frampton
70. Starless and Bible Black-King Crimson
71. Flat as a Pancake-Head East
76. They Only Come Out at Night-Edgar Winter
77. All American Boy-Rick Derringer
80. Molly Hatchet
81. Dreamboat Annie-Heart
82. Little Queen-Heart
86. Montrose
90. Klaatu
91. Brain Salad Surgery-Emerson, Lake & Palmer
92. Hair of the Dog-Nazareth
94. Mirror Stars-Fabulous Poodles
100. Not Fragile-BTO

Most of them are actually pretty good, too.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, I wasn't putting down the records at all! But that list is generally boomer rock icon stuff...

(Hey Jeanne, I'll check that record out based on your recommendation just now, so hey, good thing you posted it here.)

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

And if some of things aren't quite canonical, they are definitely staples of classic rock radio.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

If you ask me, Head East, Nazareth, Foghat, UFO, Rick Derringer, and the Fabulous Poodles (none of whom has ever made any Top 500 boomer-album list in Rolling Stone, I guaranfuckingtee) aren't nearly icons for ENOUGH people. (But hey, you didn't.)

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

And I WISH classic rock radio would play "Mirror Stars" (or even "Cherry Bomb") sometimes!

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, jet down to FL, as I'd heard both of those on some classic rock station down here this morn.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

Jeanne, the issue was women who rock, which isn't the same as women in rock.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

I just read that article about women/rock, and it was actually kinda sad because it was mostly a negative piece about how low the sales figures of women-led rock bands are aside from Evanescence, and it was only vaguely hopeful that things were going to get better soon.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

I'm slightly pissed that Kelly Osbourne and Good Charlotte didn't get some kind of "we totally didn't notice how great they were until radio shoved - and continues to shove thanks to the recently released power ballad - one group in our face and the other re-released the album with an ugly new cover and this horrible duet with her dad" '02 in '03 action. But both qualify for pazz'n'jop folx, you heard it from the man!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

also 6 of my top 10 albums (so far) are in their 40 so I shouldn't complain even though most of the other 34 albums are total ass. And they missed MY '02 in '03 votes, Northern State and tATu! also Liz Phair, which is probably cuz she tried to break up with Klosterman in that interview. And I'm sure Greendale would have made the list if Alan Light was still at the helm.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

These are the ones I kinda like (many of them with many reservations), for whatever it's worth:

40 Electric Six "Fire"
38 Basement Jaxx "Kish Kash"
34 My Morning Jacket "It Still Moves"
29 Joe Budden "Joe Budden"
28 Drive By Truckers "Decoration Day"
27 Bubba Sparxx "Deliverance"
25 The Darkness "Permission To Land"
24 The Rapture "Echoes"
19 Atmosphere "Seven's Travels"
15 AFI "Sing The Sorrow"
14 Ted Leo and the Pharmacists "Hearts of Oak"
12 Dizzee Rascal "Boy In Da Corner"
10 Radiohead "Hail to the Thief"
06 Jay-Z "The Black Album"
05 Yeah Yeah Yeahs "Fever To Tell"
03 The Strokes "Room On Fire"
02 Outkast "Speakerboxx/The Love Below"
01 The White Stripes "Elephant"

Haven't decided on Missy yet. Like 50's birthday song just fine.
Bubba Sparxxx is the only one that will make my top ten, probably.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

And oh yeah, I liked the Raveonettes' EP, but their album bored me.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

my six or seven (haven't decided on the Rapture yet) are in that list. Though I'm surprised Radiohead and the Darkness got yer approval (though you did say reservations - the Darkness are kinda funny but seem pretty one-dimensional compared to the groups they rip from. Though I guess the Rapture do too). Electric Six should totally make yer list! Any album that opens with "Dance Commander" and "Electric Demons In Love" and ends with "I'm The Bomb" and "Synthesizer" should be in a top 10.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

Oops, Radiohead was totally a mistake! I have NO use for that thing!

The Darkness are way marginal, but I like how some melodies remind me of old Scorpions/Boston/Night Ranger proto-pop-metal stuff. Their songwriting kinda sucks, they don't take enough guitar solos, and the Tiny Tim dork is way better singing in a lower register. That said, I definitely find hooks all through that CD that I respond happily to.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

I don't find them "funny" at all, though. Even Ted Leo is funnier.

chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

Electric Six would easily be top 20. (So would Dizzee Rascal, probably.) And I absolutely, totally agree with this, for both bands: "the Darkness...seem pretty one-dimensional compared to the groups they rip from. Though I guess the Rapture do too." (Maybe the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Ted Leo, and Drive By Truckers do too, actually--at least if you're talking Au Pairs, Thin Lizzy, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Well, okay, maybe not Au Pairs. Their second album really did suck.)

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

i really really wanted to like that rapture album.but i don't like it so much. house of jealous lovers and that other one where he sounds like robert smith really set me up to love it, but i never want to play it.oh well.

islandscott, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

Does Thursday even have a fanbase? They don't seem popular enough for mainstream radio fans to care, or indie enough for indie fans to care.

If all it takes to make Spin's top 40 is cop a Neil Young line for a hook, I need to start a band, post haste!!

dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

I second islandscott on the Rapture album. I love Out of the Races and Onto the Tracks, but Echoes just didn't do it for me.

dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

Thursday are very popular, especially among mall-punk/nu-emo/whatever kids. And Winona Ryder, supposedly.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:21 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, so latebloomer, forgot about that crowd. Viva MTV2!

dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

Nick Catucci gave the Thursday album four stars in Blender! He's also written every positive Evanescene article ever! (to be fair I like every Evanescence single I just haven't heard the album).

I gotta admit I'm digging Decoration Day a lot more than the cheapo Lynyrd comp called What's Your Name? that I've got. Compared to the Darkness and Rapture guys, Karen O, Patterson Hood and Ted Leo are definitely NOT as monochromatic and empty.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

neither are Mike Colley and Jason Isbell for that matter.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

"50's birthday song"!!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

COOLEY. my bad (and I've met the guy too! when the DBTs played in town I gave them a copy of my ticket, which was for the Drive-In Truckers).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

Oops, Radiohead was totally a mistake! I have NO use for that thing!

You couldn't have made more of a mindfuck if you tried! Let it slip in your ballot and then deny ever having thought about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

>>I'm digging Decoration Day a lot more than the cheapo Lynyrd comp called What's Your Name? that I've got<<

Anthony, I can only chalk this up to your famous "rhythm section problem." (And remember, DBT's considerably less alt country but still not danceable enough previous album topped my list last year, unless you count bands from 25 years ago.) (Also, I didn't compare Ted Leo, etc to Darkness, etc; I compared them to Thin Lizzy, etc.)

chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

WOAH. I just realized that they hated on "Re*Ac*Tor" in the reissues deal! It's WAY better than American Stars'n'Bars!

Yeah judging bands on more than their rhythm section IS my problem, Chuck.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

Ted Leo as Thin Lizzy? What the hell? I need to give that a second listen. Did I give up on it before I discovered some "Bad Reputation"-style ass-stomper near the end of the record or something?

nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link


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