2001: A Space Odyssey

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does everyone know about this place?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

that Mark Crispin Miller 2001 essay illustrates why I like the last two the best. to the extent you see them all as the same movie, I prefer the sympathy, affection even (read: humor), found in FMJ and EWS to the great out-the-airlock zing of 2001.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

it is science fiction, i suppose

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

We're heading for Venus
and still we stand tall
cause maybe they've seen us
and welcome us all
with so many light years to go
and things to be found
I'm sure that we'll all miss her so
It's the final countdown
The final countdown
We're leaving forever
It's the final countdown
But still it's farewell

It's the final countdown

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

We're the future and the past, we're the only way you're gonna last
We're just pawns in a funny game, tiny actors in the oldest play
It's an angry sea we face, just to get the chance to join the race
Gotta make it, gotta try, gotta get the chance to live and die

We must, we must, we must leave from here
We must, we must, we must, we must leave from here
Gotta make our play, gotta get away
Gotta make our play, gotta get away
Gotta make our play, gotta get away
Gotta make our play
Let us out of here, let us out of here, let us out of here

We just want to feel the sun and be your little daughter or your son
We're just words that lovers use, words thaat light that automatic fuse
When that love explosion comes, my, oh my, we want to be someone

― everything, Friday, 2 December 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

It's my way
Or the old space highway

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i was gonna watch 2001 while writing my memo tonight, but Major League is on

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link

now Major League, there's a movie we can all get behind, am I right or am I right?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link

that movie could've used Gabe Kapler.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Or Oliver Platt as the manager.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Ray Liotta.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Major League is perfect as-is.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Being a fan who knows all baseball movies suck, I've never seen it (cept the first 10 minutes once on cable).

In theater viewings, I always find the StarChild shot tremendously moving. As I do Nicole Kidman's "Fuck" (his second-most optimistic ending).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

...cept the first 10 minutes...

the only good part is the opening credits set to randy newman's "burn on."

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

And I don't even remember that!

Any opinions on the discarded Alex North score that Kubrick dumped for the Strausses? I know it came out.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I do remember reading in Michael Caine's autobio some story about Kubrick borrowing records from the public library until he found that Zarathustra thing.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tarkovsky's criticism of 2001 - that it ridiculously overdramatized
things that would be trivial in that time. ie: too much of a time-traveler's
perspective in it.
As for Dune... it would have been fucking INCREDIBLE if the original plan
to have Jodorowsky direct had panned out.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Any opinions on the discarded Alex North score that Kubrick dumped for the Strausses? I know it came out.

i still haven't heard it, but i'd like to. anybody got a copy?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

lol @ tarkovsky, u cd say the same thing about 'andrei rublev'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

U cd, but u'd b wrong.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

er, how? tarko just doesn't like drama anyway, is his problem.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Tarkovsky was like the impressionists - you'd never guess that he thought
he was being an ultra-realist.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i still haven't heard it, but i'd like to. anybody got a copy?

Yes! But, it's packed away along with 2000 other CDs (DYS?) awaiting this mythical house move.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Jodorowsky on Dune and David Lynch on Return of the Jedi would have made '83-'84 a different time.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Captain Obvious. It would.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Just me or is ILX pretty damn cranky lately?

― Frogm@n Henry, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

sergei eisenstein on 'paris, texas' and ingmar bergman on 'beverley hills cop' would have made '83-'84 a different time.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

goddammit Ally, i got promoted past captain sometime last year. get with the times, mang.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tarkovsky's criticism of 2001 - that it ridiculously overdramatized
things that would be trivial in that time. ie: too much of a time-traveler's
perspective in it.

That's kinda the point (or one of them) -- the characters are all caught up in being concerned with their phones and their zero-g toilets and their Hilton lounge meetings and their turkey sandwiches that they can't be bothered to spare a moment to be amazed by the fact that they LIVE IN OUTER SPACE. None of the 21st-century humans in the movie have learned yet to look beyond their mundane tools and machines to something transcendent, and when they do find something amazing -- the Tycho monolith -- they line up to take touristy pictures in front of it.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Enrique, how does Solaris fit in your scheme?

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

what phil d. said. Maybe if Tarkovsky ever had MGM footing the bill he'd have grokked it.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh come on. They're doing exactly what the aliens who left TMA-1 expected -
they're progressing technically and scientificly, and when they reach the
moon and start to study it, they find TMA-1 and dig it up to see what
it is. They're not excited about "being in SPACE" because that simply
isn't exciting. Unless of course, you're shooting your film from a
dawn-of-the-space-race perspective. Everything's exciting if you're primitive enough.
Sadly, when Tarkovsky got good funding, he produced garbage (Sacrafice).

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

For excitement in space, see the zero-gee Van Halen dancing in the otherwise unmemorable Mission to Mars.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

oh its memorable, just not in the way intended

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Enrique, how does Solaris fit in your scheme?
-- k/l (lauter...), December 2nd, 2005.

i liked it!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

2001 >> Dune >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solaris

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

altho I gotta say the Jodorowsky Dune version (incl. designs by Giger and Dali as the Emperor) sounds and looks like the greatest movie never made.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

HI DAVE

― JW (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

dude solaris is good! but then again you gave me your copy, so i guess it makes sense that you don't care for it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Aside from the stupid Twilight Zone ending Tarkovsky added, the original
Solaris was great. It maintained a reasonable amount of the book's focus
on the scientific community surrounding Solaris.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I like all 3 Solarises fine (Lem > Tark > Soderbergh), The Sacrifice too.

Just remembered this recent news about the jettisoned prologue:

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/news/article321643.ece

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the book is better than the movie, tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

They're doing exactly what the aliens who left TMA-1 expected -
they're progressing technically and scientificly,

But not ethically, or metaphysically.

x-post I always liked that Tarkovsky moved the material w/Berton up front rather than revealing it in the middle.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I found Tarkovsky because I was a Lem fanatic, so for a long time I considered
Solaris -> Solaris the greatest sci-fi novel & movie ever. Once I finally
saw Tarkovsky's other films, I discovered that the Roadside Picnic ->
Stalker combo blows away the Solarises.
The Sacrifice is beautiful, but I don't like the plot or any of the
characters. I rank it his weakest, even below his senior project in film
school.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

h are you referring to Clarke or Lem re:book being better...? (I've never read 2001, big Lem fan tho)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

lem book is better. clarke's 2001 is really good too but different from the movie (they go to saturn instead).

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

it's unrecognizable!!

j/k. i like the book a lot.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Clarke's book is technically a 'novelization' he completed during the film's 2 years of postproduction. The source short story "The Sentinel" ends with the moon's monolith signal going off and humanity ... waiting. (Similar to how Kubrick later used a Brian Aldiss story as the kernel for A.I.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

HAL is very well done. In the book it's mentioned that he's neural-net-based,
which was a very radical thing to say in the late 60s, but dead-on.
One of the later Cray supercomputers had boards that would be ejected
at the push of a button. I wonder if that was inspired by HAL...

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i remember in the intro to the book clarke (perhaps to deflect criticism of the book as merely a novelization) claimed that it was written simultaneously with the script, and thus was somewhat of a different creature: half source text, half novelization.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

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