New York City is for sellouts

also, probably shouldn't be assuming blacks are the dominant minority group of any city post-1970s. changing demographics lol. latinos dominated my neighborhood growing up, and were in roughly equal number to african americans in my inner-city high school. i am extremely white btw.

Where is Tombot from? Where does 'trying to be black' even come from? NYC area is the largest metropolitan area in North America; there's a lot more to it than the handful of traditionally black neighborhoods scattered around the place.

xpost on the latinos thing; where I grew up outside of NYC it was mostly Italians, Poles, eastern European Jews, and Puerto Ricans.

i grew up in a wealthy predominantly white suburb of boston and im a bad ass motherfucker

dudes this is 2008, there is good pizza everywhere

blacks are a majority of the population in most big Southern cities, especially in the Deep South, but outside of the South only in Detroit, Gary, and Newark (and DC and Baltimore if you don't define them as the South for this purpose)

and only barely in Newark

"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe -- We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."

"This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans. Those who are running our factories and teaching our kids and growing our food and are fighting our wars for us. Those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."

-- Sarah Palin, Greensboro, N.C.

of course, that wasn't a dog whistle or anything

http://www.timeout.com/chicago/articles/comedy/68404/bust-a-move

the things that time out publishes are appalling. that said, chicago seems marginally better than ny or london in terms of writing. point to chicago! uh, that imitation of this thread you just posted non-withstanding.

I thought it was funny. I know that dude, though.

i just think it sounds like some kinda tiresome ilxors, sorry i didn't mean to insult your friend :\

also to respond to something from a week ago

The only part of Queens that is more expensive than manhattan isn't worth living in. The rest is still greatly cheaper than Manhattan and most of Brooklyn too.

mostly true but there were several "this makes this more expensive" factors for renting in quite a lot of queens that made me decide against the neighborhood. for buying it is like head & shoulders above brooklyn without a doubt.

and quite frankly above any number of more "reasonably priced" cities that ppl have brought up in this thread as well.

I haven’t done my research, but I’m pretty sure this is where Spike Lee’s Crooklyn was set. I may be paying twice as much rent as I was in Chicago, but I’m literally living inside a hit movie.

YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH

http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/192/192.x600.comedy.open.kumail.tif.jpg?width=220http://www.pathwaytours.com/YakovSmirnoff.jpg

Queens? Might as well live in Jersey.

haha queens is more/just as accessible to the city as most of bk is. tho don't listen to me, being stuck on the j for 6 months made jersey city look appealing.

queens might as well live in some sort of culinary wonderland

That guy is more than welcome to move away from New York at any time. But I can understand that he has to live somewhere with public transit, it's hard to drive when you're looking so far down your nose. So his options probably ARE limited.

guys he's a COMEDIAN so he's making JOKES

The best Kumail joke I ever heard was him complaining that MS Word spellcheck corrects his name to "Camel".

way to disprove his central thesis about NYers having no sense of humor

there are certain ppl in my social group who are just like terrible "brooklyn shut up" types (it is like there are two parts of nyc, soho/les and brooklyn lol!!) and i have been kind of pushed back upon going other places than these douchebag wonderlands and i plan to rectify that and start dragging pplz asses back to queens at some point when i no longer have the BIRD FLU or whatever is killing me right now

xpost i get it's a joke, nick. it's not a funny one??? he's doing kind of an outdated "lol midwesterners who move to nyc act like dickbags" thing that he apparently stole from you, in 2003?

My sense of humor has been sharpened by unemployment and the teeth of rats. That writing is like the broad side of a barn.

"this makes this more expensive" factors for renting in quite a lot of queens

for me, the fact that it really helps to have a car in queens, yet parking in some areas is almost as hard as brooklyn. That's an issue.

Queens has way more going on then Jersey City, though Jersey City may have better Dosas.

Queens has Nick's Pizza though, which I had for the first time last night.

i mean if you are getting that his central thesis is that new yorkers are assholes then you aren't getting what he's saying about asshole transplants actually.

even with that lolling at this piece would be like lolling at tom's ppl pretending they are black strawman upthread??? why are you making fun of a thing that doesn't really exist except in a very limited format, and why do so many ppl do this tired thing?

xpost yeah not having a car really limits you actually! you have to keep yourself to a certain number of neighborhoods if you want to be able to make it to work in less than 2 hours.

Are we surprised by the NYCers getting all bitter and defensive about a harmless article?

??? how is it being "bitter and defensive" to say it's not funny? i even apologized to jaymc. we're not actually the ones misunderstanding the dumb thing. this is kind of like saying that ppl are sexist for not liking sarah palin, guys.

xp it's a touchy subject, so no

Queens just isn't pleasantly walkable the way Brooklyn is. Too many highways and boulevards and train yards between neighborhoods.

my post was supposed to be a zing on the time out "empire" anyway which is british! just fyi.

xpost yeah a lot of brooklyn is set up better for pedestrians, basically. i have a friend who lives out in far rockaway and basically when i get off the train i have to call her and have her pick me up cos there's no way to get there otherwise. i'd like to walk, rockaway beach is beautiful!

I think we had this conversation in another City vs City thread, but people who don't like NYC are welcome not to live here! It's not really an argument I'm interested in having.

haha laurel

It just seems like some people in here are all pissy about the article, "he's a dickbag" etc. I think if a similar article was written about Chicago, most chilxors would either shrug it off or think, "yeah, that is kinda true".

I don't get the pizza thing. I've been living in NYC since I was 14, and sure, there's okay pizza. But I must be spoiled because it's never blown my mind. It's pizza. Someone explain?

and people who don't like people not liking NYC are welcome to not read this thread, which is titled "New York City is for sellouts"

yeah he's not a dickbag, i mean he's just making fun of a tired old trope that is kind of lame re: dumb kids movin to ny to find themselves and how awesome it is. it's kind of like a oh god stupid time out why showcase this thing.

the problem is that unless n/a was directing at laurel that it WAS chilxors that got pissed off about whether or not this was funny or lame?? the rest of us are tryin to talk about real estate. oh well, who cares i can't wait 'til the dc contingent chimes in!

xpost i think the pizza thing is either you get it or you don't. if it's your kind of pizza it's great. if you prefer a different style pizza or you just aren't really that into pizza then whatever.

Jon, some of the strawmen in that article could be true here but for such a small slice of people that it's not really relevant? If you want to go places where you can't get served (lol Daddy's!) or feel overshadowed by others or whatev, you're welcome to do so. But you can go your whole NYC residency without doing any of those things, plus there's nowhere in the world that has the market cornered on douchebaggery, I'm sure you could experience all the same social failings right in Chicago.

I don't think "he's a dickbag", I just think...okay, so he doesn't see what else there is to like about New York. That's fine, I don't remember NYC running nationwide ads encouraging young people to give up their affordable housing in DesMoines and move here? But no place ISN'T going to have pros and cons, and some days one side seems longer, and some days the other side does, and that changes in your 20s and again in your 30s and etc.

Hard to believe, but some people live in NY because that's the place that makes sense to live in - for work, friends, family, geography, community, etc. I love living here, but that's because I love the people I've grown up with here. I can't imagine moving here to be alone.

But no place ISN'T going to have pros and cons, and some days one side seems longer, and some days the other side does, and that changes in your 20s and again in your 30s and etc.

i bet you could come with a really hilarious comedic article based on this premise

God knows I don't find anything romantic about my neighborhood shithole.

"hilarious" okay sure whatevs.

are people really defending the hilarity and/or satirical premise of that article - shits kinda dumb - new york rulez - lets move on

can't wait for dude to move to LA and read his hilarious take on fake boobs

I don't get the pizza thing. I've been living in NYC since I was 14, and sure, there's okay pizza. But I must be spoiled because it's never blown my mind. It's pizza. Someone explain?

― Mordy, Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

move anywhere outside NY/NJ/Providence/Chicago/DC and try to find good pizza. seriously try.

italy

hey there clever logic guy u could write for time out

i would enjoy that - do they accept unpunctuated 20 word articles

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