I guess it's hard to see the link coloration for "This guy," who is http://www.michaelspiro.com/
― Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Not sure if this counts but the chorus in Pet Shop Boys "King's Cross" comes one beat ahead every time it appears.
― one boob is free with one (daavid), Thursday, 19 November 2009 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
...actually I listened again and no, it's not every time, it's "right" the first time. And I think it's two beats, not one.
― one boob is free with one (daavid), Thursday, 19 November 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Beatles - "Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except for Me and My Monkey". Great beat that manages to fool me every time until the "take it easy" part
― Dominique, Thursday, 19 November 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
that's a good one. i managed to listen to the whole first track on Lindström - Where You Go I Go Too once with the beat all syncopated, it was cool
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 19 November 2009 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Syncopation rules the nation. You can't get away from it.
― Meade Lex Louis (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
'"The Impression That I Get" intro'
Hey how many of you hear"Never had to, knock on wood"versus"Never had to knock on wood"
also:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9d4ESlpHY&feature=player_embedded
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Blur - BeetlebumVan Halen - Panama
― Gavin in Leeds, Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Van Halen - Panama
on the ma, right?
― andrew m., Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
The Shaggs, that's taking it to a whole other level.
― It Ain't The Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
lots and lotsa dance tunes which fade in
― andrew m., Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Well it's really just the guitar/kick drum intro that fools me but yeah.
― Gavin in Leeds, Thursday, 19 November 2009 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeMHetUOdYQ
― rent, Friday, 20 November 2009 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm never able to make sense of the beat on Mary Margaret O'Hara's "Not Be Alright". For its duration all I can think about is why I can't make sense of it, and about whether I should be able to identify it as being in 17 / 9 time or whatever, and confusion curdles into disorientation and resentment, and I can't tell whether the nausea is an effect of my experience of the music, or of my awareness of my experience of the music, or of both, and then I conclude (not before time) that it really isn't worth it.
― Neil Willett, Friday, 20 November 2009 07:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I believe the beginning of Styx's "Too Much Time On My Hands" qualifies for this thread.
― Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 22 November 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Clipse "I'm Good"
― billstevejim, Saturday, 28 November 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
a touch of this to Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days"
― sonderangerbot, Saturday, 28 November 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Alan Parsons likes to do this especially with his instrumentals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td56XAHxLpw
Skip to like 1:30 unless you dig intros
― chocolatepiekid, Sunday, 29 November 2009 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link
A lot of Aphex Twin songs are like this, off the top of my head "Heliosphan" from SAW 85-92, and the untitled 7th track from his Polygon Window album "Surfing on Sine Waves" does this super hardcore.
― Stevie D, Sunday, 29 November 2009 02:16 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLJgCHPO0ig
At about 4:22 the snare hits go away and you sort of choose to hear the song as having the downbeat on the snare or the kick.
― Stevie D, Sunday, 29 November 2009 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Phil Collins - In the Air Tonight
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link
up til where the drums kick in that is, after that he isn't fooling anyone
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link
"Cannonball" by the Breeders.
― Maltodextrin, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^ in the intro, I mean.
― Maltodextrin, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 07:38 (fourteen years ago) link
other Breeders songs that fool me:"Invisible Man""Glorious""No Way"
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Metallica-Escape
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Part of me thinks techno must be full of these tracks and part of me thinks that they could be hard to find (at least on 12" cuts) what with the tradition of starting with drum intro for easier mixing.
Here's one though: Hardfloor - Strawberry Maze. Another "lone rhythmic bass noise in intro is actually off-beat" entry, but I'm not quite tired of them yet.
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
The first few times I heard "Elevation" by GTO, I couldn't hear the synth riff on the correct beat so the entrance of the drums 4 bars later was always a surprise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Fh4M-Its4&feature=related
― i accidentally touched the nub and it was squishy (HI DERE), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Small Faces "Afterglow" - no matter how many times I listen to this song (which is fantastic although terribly marred by shitty pseudo-stereo mixing. I would kill for a proper mono mix of this song...) I just cannot figure out what beat it starts on. by the time the drums come in everything is pretty simple, but the intro bars with just the acoustic guitars/singing/percussion is so very WTF
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
it starts on the & of 3
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link
the downbeat is the second beat of the 4/4 measure. "She Said She Said"'s second section is in 3/4, btw. the technique used in the Beatles' "Everybody's Got Something to Hide" is turning the beat around, where you displace the usual accents in the 4/4 measure, same thing is used in the intro to the Attractions' arrangement of Costello's "This Year's Girl." the funniest example of a well-known critic not knowing this stuff occurs in a review of Al Green's "Call Me" when the writer refers to the "third-beat" emphasis of the Hi Rhythm Band, when in fact the writer is mishearing the eighth notes as quarter notes; the emphasis is just on the downbeat but the writer hears it as "one-two-THREE" when it's actually "one-and-TWO."
― ebbjunior, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
lol ask a drummer... I think its the handclaps that have always thrown me off too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGLKvDEq_Kk&feature=related
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Part of me thinks techno must be full of these tracks and part of me thinks that they could be hard to find (at least on 12" cuts) what with the tradition of starting with drum intro for easier mixing.Here's one though: Hardfloor - Strawberry Maze. Another "lone rhythmic bass noise in intro is actually off-beat" entry, but I'm not quite tired of them yet.
Here's another: Robert Hood - The Rhythm of Vision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07VVf77KVns
― p-dog, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
that one starts right on the downbeat
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Another techno youtube - "What To Do" by Thomas Bangalter, off Trax on da Rox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyA5WnCfGKc
Doesn't quite match the thread title, starts with a very clear downbeat (your standard kick-hihat-snare-hihat drum-loop), then uses the samples to mess with your perception of where the bar begins. Awesome tune, but can be kind of difficult to dance to if you're thinking too much...
― p-dog, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
don't think so - starts on an offbeat ("&") - wait til the kick drum comes in around 1:10
― p-dog, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
The Robert Hood example does indeed start on a downbeat -- at least, if you count it this way...http://sites.google.com/site/pnauert/rhood.png... the kick drum entrance around 1:10 is in phase.
― Monophonic Spree (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
ha yeah, I was going to say, the tricky thing there is that the repetition can make you zone out and miss a beat
― i accidentally touched the nub and it was squishy (HI DERE), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, even if it starts on the 2 or something, it definitely does not start on an &
― hey trader joe's! i've got the new steely dan. (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Fido, Your Leash is Too Long
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Not a fool you about where the downbeat is example, but an example of something more syncopated and improvised then you would expect and hard to count is Anthony Jackson's bassline on "For The Love Of Money."
― nico anemic cinema icon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
ok I believe you about the Robert Hood :) it still surprises me when the kick drum drops!
― p-dog, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Hardfloor - Strawberry Maze. Another "lone rhythmic bass noise in intro is actually off-beat" entry
Er, oops, it came up on random a while ago and I misremembered it (unless there's another mix). Starts with a pattern of stringy stabs an eighth note apart and your brain is like "ok, the second is probably the 1, but maybe the first" but you're actually listening to &2, &4...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUlYtICk8IE
Do not listen if you hate 90s acid techno which doesn't do anything.
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
you can still start on the downbeat and be fooled by where the downbeat is, iirc tbh
― iirc's to you, mrs. robinson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
tho i def wasnt fooled by that example
― iirc's to you, mrs. robinson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
the downbeat is the second beat of the 4/4 measure.
No it isn't!
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ was gonna say
― Snake Effect Low (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Led Zep's Black Dog pwns this concept, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9i2fqxSjTI
IIRC it was written specifically to confuse/challenge all the garage band wannabes...
― superflyguy, Wednesday, 6 January 2010 10:30 (fourteen years ago) link
... really?
― ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Never had a problem with "Walking on the Moon", but "Spirits in the Material World" still trips me up from time to time if I hear it wrong. So much emphasis on the off-beat, kick used as a snare.
This just happened to me with "Spirits" for a few seconds....
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link