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it also affects macromedia shite as they're adobe now as well...just as well i got me the educational discount version heh heh

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Shrook is brushed metal, yes. That doesn't bother me as much as it does most people, seemingly.

On a related note, can anyone recommend a web-based rss reader that works well on crappy old IE5.2 for Mac, such as I am lumbered with at work.

Orijjin.com is quite good, but on IE5 formatting goes a bit screwy.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

what's a good (free) rss reader for the mac?

I like Vienna: http://www.opencommunity.co.uk/vienna2.php

― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Alba: Bloglines at http://bloglines.com is ace -- and it'll import your OPML. Or give me a shout if you still want Mozilla.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeh, bloglines also has a firefox plugin which rocks. I've stopped using a separate reader altogether.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't Adobe in deep financial shit, possibly slowing down their CS3 development?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Why is adobe in deep shit?

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, I read it somewhere that was talking about Adobe's product cycle. I assume they've taken a big hit from Final Cut Pro and Final Cut Express (and Avid's offerings) in video editing, Apple beat them to the punch on a comprehensive digital photography program, etc.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for the suggestions - am trying netnewswire lite and bloglines. bloglines seems a little clunky so far, though...

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ADBE

profit margin of 23% revenue up year on year but earnings down (probaby CS3 development costs)

seems al right to me

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that Photoshop is to them like Office is to Microsoft...

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Aperture is by no means comprehensive, premiere may be less of an earner by after effects is still widely used and Adobe were talking of returning Premiere to OS X (probably at a price point between FCE and FCS with better after effects integration)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, They have Macromedia director, shockwave, flash and coldfusion to drive earnings forward. They have no vector graphics competition to speak of , PDF is the document interchange standard and Go Live did well whilst Quark had its finger up its arse over OS X compatibility.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Avid killed off the nearest Premiere competitors when they bought Pinnacle.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Adobe is apparently having similar problems to MS -- there's plenty of cash sloshing about, but getting real movement is near-impossible with nonsense politics and acres of legacy stuff to think about.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also: Bloglines does look like shit, but it's actually good to work with. You can click on "all feeds" and see one long page with all your updated entries, which is great for zooming through new stuff.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Adobe products on OS X are going to be at a disadvantage because Apple can tightly integrate with Core Video. Adobe could too but it would be prohibitable to maintain a second code base I think.

OT: Quark is such a fucking joke

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Quark came to demo us an early beta of 7. It looked really good, with some actual useful features ... but resisting the temptation to just punch the rep in the nose was mighty hard work.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

After a good 2 years of watching real agencies inch towards inDesign, I'm actually now getting the sense that they're ready to jump back on the Quark ship with 7. It's been to hard for most places to switch over to inDesign.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

When I said Go Live up their I meant In design

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Alot of places I've worked lately have already made the jump to InDesign and I don't think that any of them are going to be rushing to switch back.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

We're still on Quark 3.3 here. the looming prospect is Quark 6 on PC, which is so shit that I'll be relieved if we can get 7, which does genuinely have improvements -- especially in text display. Moving some of these ppl to the InDesign UI would be pretty hairy too.

Quark's great strength lies in being very like an old-school pasteboard. InDesign's lies in being like all the other Adobe apps (and, y'know, working and shit), but it makes translating the Quark metaphor really hard.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i think adobe's software is getting to bloated for them to keep developing it

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

too bloated

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

decent mac itunes alternative anyone?

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I know a lot of places have made the switch, but a lot of the largest places haven't, and they keep Quark in business. The transition will happen slowly...a lot of the reason the switch hasn't taken place is due to a lack of good people who know inDesign. But as more younger types enter the field with inDesign knowledge, they'll be better able to adjust.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm?

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

decent mac itunes alternative anyone?

-- The Real DG

― bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

it take it you saw this, DG? http://cogosx.sourceforge.net/

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

why can't i export c*nting mpeg-1 with c*nting imovie, CUNTSTICKS!!!!!!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 00:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Cog looks nice, alas I won't own a mac again for a while :/

though I think I'm just going to have to eventually, or find a solid thinkpad to force linux onto. somebody put the worst virus I've ever seen IRL on my machine the other day good lord.

― bad hair day house (fandango), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

because cunting mpeg1 is dino poo

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

what possible reason is there for using mpeg-1?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 04:45 (seventeen years ago) link

New better iMacs

http://www.apple.com/imac

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed - all versions of Windows Media Player and all version of Quicktime will play MPEG-1 without having to download any additional codecs or software.

If you've got another format you can say this about... bring it on!!!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

("all versions" = all versions anyone could reasonably be expected to use in 2006... basically back to Windows 98; i wanted to use mpeg-4 with h.264 but WMP, even on XP, doesn't play that by default)

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

What is this for anyways? Anyone still using Windows 98 probably has enough spyware/crap on their machine to render reliable video playback impossible. Plus they won't buy anything, the cheap bastards!

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

A CD to be sent to a whole slew of random marketing/advertising/"brand" people, half of whom would need to wait for 2 hours for helpdesk to come install quicktime on their corporate workstations - tryina get around their ignorance, you see. And coming full up against the ignorance built right into Apple's programs!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

backwards compatibility is the real ignorance Mr. Hand! People who don't buy new computers every 2.5 years deserve to be left out in the cold!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

It's just weird. I mean, iMovie will do... what, CINEPAK compression with AVI.. fucking uLaw audio compression or whatever. CRO-MAGNON SHIT. But no plain jane, standard mpeg. Toast will do it, but you need to burn your disc in VCD format and I don't want to do that. Somebody called HEURIS also does an mpeg-1 encoder, which you can buy online for $4000.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(FCP will also do it, but I don't have that.)

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

avi wrappered cinepak or mpeg-4 basic are supported by WM9 (back as bar as Win98 SE) and Quicktime (back to 6.0 AFAIK, cinepak probably much further). However to be fair it took a long time to work that one out and I work in the video world. I fucking hate video codecs.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

cog spazzed out when i tried it before

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

cog spazzed out when i tried it before

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost etc.

problem is is that apple would have to pay a royalty on every copy of iMovie with Mpeg-1 encoding support and that isn't worth it (see also SanDisks trouble with one of the mpeg licensing authorities). Mpeg-1 has awful licensing for encoding, MPEG-2 is even worse, MPEG-4 is much saner.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah Ed, I did a Cinepak AVI as an export from iMovie; default settings except I raised the "quality" slider to "high" ... 28 minutes was 500 megs and it looked like absolute garbage.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost Ed that has the ring of truth.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

welcome to the early 90s. I will come armed with a pack of DVD's later and, if I still have it, a special and useful surprise on one of them.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

apple is offering the written-by-a-guy-from-24-and-distributed-to-right-wing-blogs "documentary" "based on" the 9/11 commission report, on itunes, and they're offering it for free

here is a big list of email addresses and real addresses and phone numbers at apple for you to complain to, if you wish - http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/09/action-alert-tell-steve-jobs-and-apple.html

which, it strikes me, could come in handy for some of the other issues that have been brought up on this thread.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 9 September 2006 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

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