Bloc Party: C/D?

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For the record, I don't think they slot very neatly into the realm of rote repetition of post-punk moves, or anything. That's part of what I was trying to get at when I reviewed them: they seem to have a kind of Big Rock Band ambition that's a lot more modern, whereas bands like Interpol stick to the stripped-down eighth-note thing. Another way of putting this is that Bloc Party are more like late Bunnymen than early Bunnymen (I almost typed "Bummymen") -- they like to show you that they're good with their instruments, that they can write complicated little transitions, etc. It's almost a U2 quality. Part of it's just that, well, while most bands in this vein have to have guitars chugging along the chord sequence, Bloc Party can actually let the rhythm section carry everything and just use the guitars for complex color (always an Ambitious Rock move); most of it, though, comes in my opinion from their just being kind of unembarrassed about having Big Rock Band ambitions, as opposed to Stylish Scrappy Pop Group ones.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with Nabisco here - what I hear in this record in an interest in texture and rhythm that's largely absent from most of their contemporaries. Listening to second half of Price of Gas or the build on So Here We Are, there's a sense of openness - I get the feeling that a record or two down the line other influences will seep in and take things on a different course, whereas I can't imagine The Strokes or Interpol ever making a record that deviates hugely from what they've already done.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

My problem with them is primarily that they make a fucking unlistenable tuneless racket.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm supposed to like them because they sound like late Bunnymen and U2?

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Will their (very surprising) number one album spark a backlash??

Or did the backlash already exist?

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the whole early 80's rip off thing, and the album would be fine without that whining vocalist.

dmun, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Will their (very surprising) number one album spark a backlash?

It was number three...

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel the same as Tim, I liked the single alot but having played the album in the shop a few times I find it a real racket.

I think I'll always hold up "Is This It" as a sort of yardstick for rock albums, of course because I am not really into rock, and it's a fantastic pop album really. Bloc Party for me come across a bit too right on or something with some of the lyrics and delivery, like "passionate" in that rock way, which doesn't do much for me.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm... i think that's the point

elwisty (elwisty), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the point and the problem both, is what I've been trying to say: they're good at traditional We Mean It grand-scale rock moves, but I'm no longer entirely sure who's content with traditional We Mean It grand-scale rock moves. I mean, I put something in my review about how there are still people complaining that Radiohead haven't been good since The Bends -- those are the people I can think of who'd be most enthralled by this record.

nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I really behind or has no one else not noticed that So Here We Are is very very similar to a couple of tracks off the last Explosions In The Sky album (except with vocals)?

elwisty (elwisty), Monday, 28 February 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Those lyrics Nick quotes in his Stylus review...

“He’s born a liar / He’ll die a liar… / …he’s just like his dad / He’s just like his dad / Same mistakes / Some things will never be different… / …why can’t you be / More European?”

...are horrible. And I'm someone who's generally forgiving of bad or indifferent lyrics.

David A. (Davant), Monday, 28 February 2005 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd never even connected those lyrics with Bush before reading that Stylus review.

Haha Ronan I think we have totally different preferences when it comes to guitar music - I like a bit of bombast to my indie rock. Part of the reason the likes of the Strokes never really clicked with me was because it all seemed a bit too neat and composed.

To be fair, I'm like that with all music - once dance music gets too dry and tidy I tend to lose interest, maybe that's why I've never appreciated the clickier end of microhouse for example.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 28 February 2005 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i am SO late to this party (ha ha) but i stayed away cause i really didn't think i'd care. anyway, add my name to the list of "banquet"s fans - it's one of the best indie rock singles in yonks.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 03:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the Japanese release of the Little Thoughts EP is essential. other than "helicopter" it's all non-LP. both "little thoughts" and "tulips" are excellent, plus the b-side "skeleton" deserves a better audience too.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

"My problem with them is primarily that they make a fucking unlistenable tuneless racket."

ON THE FUCKING MONEY

chris sallis, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I disagree. I enjoy listening to their tunes.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

People who think it's a tuneless racket and spend a majority of their time listening to 4/4 house/microhouse music, please step forward.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Fair enough sir. In all honesty though, they sound fucking appalling to my (presumably untutored) ears.

chris sallis, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I think they're pretty straightforward except for the drumming which is pretty dense. I also listen to a lot of 4/4 house/microhouse music.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Banquet" is very good.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 March 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

johnny, if you can find me microhouse that has as much nasty screaming treble as bloc party then go ahead

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 3 March 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

like it

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i have never heard this band. but, yesterday, on the tube, someone had a bloc party belt on

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 10 March 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

What's wrong with nasty screaming treble?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 March 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i think this is aight actually. it is brash but quite a pained adrenaline too - there's something of a schoolboy's life-and-death-seeming adventure to it all, like kipling/ lord of the flies or even...

i'm gonna say IF....!! (even tho it doesnt quite fit) just to see cozen wince

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

also its funny everyone's all about the sonics when this is the first time for ages rock's really forced lyrics onto me

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 10 March 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Somewhat randomly I ended up getting drunk with them on Saturday night in one of these lowest common denominator indie places. They seemed like nice people and the singer was convinced that he'd been to a party at my house, so I let him carry on believing that. Girls kept going up and touching him, it was kind of creepy.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Then they touched you and it wasn't so creepy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i just stayed at home and touched myself

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

When I think about you you touch yourself. Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

find me microhouse that has as much nasty screaming treble

DJ Koze's remix of "Zu Dicht Dran" on Kompakt.100

nader (nader), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

There was a track by them on one of those Guardian free CDs. It was pretty ordinary and forgettable, I must admit.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

find me microhouse that has as much nasty screaming treble

"International Snootleg" by International Pony Vs. Losoul (feat. Malte)

nader (nader), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

they're the killers ILM says it's OK to like. or something.

they're just so painfully average. classic, dud ... either of these would be an improvement, to be honest. i'd say they were forgettable but i can't even remember.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it or isn't it premature to rate Bloc Party as C/D?

I realize that in the world of ILM there aren't many hard or fast rules, but a band with one album and a handful of EPs?

They get the C/D treatment?

Already?

Would the same have been done following the release of Radiohead's Pablo Honey or Daft Punk's Homework or the Jaxx Remedy?

I guess it's possible they too would have got it, what with so many itchy mouse buttons hovering over the "Submit" button. But I don't suppose it'd have made the judgment any less premature.

nader (nader), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I like them just to annoy zem.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it or isn't it premature to rate Bloc Party as C/D?

Perhaps. Especially considering I began this thread last April.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Nader - if a band has released one album and a handful of EPs then it is perfectly reasonably to judge them on the basis of those records. What they might do in the future is irrelevant FOR NOW. The next BP album might be terrible self-indulgent toss but it wouldn't have any bearing on the quality of Silent Alarm.

Radiohead are always the example that gets brought up in these circumstances and the people who do so are right in a way. But there's also a slightly annoying "well, its only their first record" line that gets trotted out by indie kids defending shit records. I mean, The Music might come up with a certified pop classic in two or three years but I doubt it.

Of course giving bands time to develop is a good thing, I just dislike it being used as an excuse.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

they make me think of placebo for some reason.

scg, Monday, 14 March 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to disclaim my rhetorical question above with "this isn't a copout" b/c I figured giving [Bloc Party] time to develop [would be interpreted] as an excuse for erm, they're lack of development?

Perhaps I'm just being too literal here. It would seem the title "classic" would be reserved for bands that have had an opportunity to develop.

It's less an "excuse" for Bloc Pary and more a pursuit of accuracy in labeling.

Because, after all, what's a band or artist worth if we haven't pigeonholed them within one month of its first album's release?

nader (nader), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm cracked out on caffeine:

"they're lack" should be "their lack"

"pigeonholed them" should be "pigeonholed it"

nader (nader), Monday, 14 March 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I was on my way out the door to go and finally pick up the proper American retail version of Silent Alarm, but I just saw a pic of it on Best Buy's website and the cover sports a Parental Advisory sticker. Do they just assign these things arbitrarily, or only when one of the songs bashes the current Presiden?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I quite like "Banquet", actually. Haven't heard the rest of the album as yet.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

They're about to appear on KCRW. 11:20am PST. kcrw.com

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

When lyrics like:

Why'd you have to get so hysterical?
Success, success, success is over
Why'd you have to get
So fucking useless

appear on your album you'll get an advisory sticker. The Bush Admin. and/or music industry have bigger fish (see Shiavo and P2P, respectively) to fry than lil' ol' Bloc Party.

nader (nader), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the sticker was only on the picture on the Best Buy site. I didn't see one on the actual cd.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It's on the actual CD cover...ruins the cover, of course. I like this a great deal - just glad that out of the 30 or so tracks I'd d/l, the sequencing / tracklisting is good.

paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Bloc Party played all the best slots at SXSW. Expect total U.S. press domination very, very soon, particularly after M.I.A.'s record sputters out of the gate despite the ubiquitous hype.

Joe Blower (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Has "The O.C." picked up on them yet? Just a matter of time...

cdwill, Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link


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