Home Truths

Oh fuck, a wake-up call? My distaste for using prophylactics must be abolished forthwith. Time to stand in front of the microwave on full power with my bollocks hanging out for an hour?

Being a breeder doesn't necessarily imply mortgaging your ambitions and talents,though, does it? And if the invisible force-field of family allows you to escape a miserable squalid death alone in a toilet etc., well that's pretty good, isn't it?

As a gay man, I guess I'm glad I'll live a life that is different than the oft-travelled path of eveyone else... but I also am somewhat envious of the time-tested charms of marriage, family, etc. I think the family is ideally the foundation for you to build on, not a stone around your neck. Of course, the outcome depends on the decisions you make and the attitude you have.

Wait, did I just pay lip service to the "gay lifestyle" there, albeit in passing? Let me collect my wits.

Of couse, being gay means I get to play with other guy's dicks, which I have to admit is pretty cool.

There's NO SUCH THING as normal

Suzy: But surely saying this is saying exactly the same as what I said. If everyone is different, then that is normal, isn't it? (Sorry to be so contrary about this but still...) And yes, I am happy with where I am now, because it has made me content instead of sitting around and being depressed with my lot, and because I believe I have the drive and conviction to do whatever I want with my life whilst operating within within 'average' parameters. If you see what I mean.

Why does the family unit = patriotic duty? Momus sounds like he'd be happier in a Brave New World where the family unit is obsolete, Mother is a dirty world and everyone indulges in elevated promiscuity orgy-porgy and all that. I don't want to hear about Bob's aching back but I don't really care that Bjork living in a tent either. She probably gets a bad back on occassion too. Is anyone going to give a fuck in 50, 100 years? For all the banal, reality-tv people shoved down your throats there is infinitely more crap on celebrities and "exceptionals". The problem is sorting the true exceptionals, a handful at best at any given time, from the hundreds of wannabe exceptionals.

All of this talk about family , where does those who cannot have children, what christ talked about "the eunuchs which have been born thus from [their] mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs of men; and there are eunuchs who have made eunuchs of themselves for the sake of the kingdom of the heavens. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]. Mark 19" So how in your world momus do the eunuchs reject family and mantain he kingdom of the heavens (which i am assuming is crawling with breeders, think in metaphors)

suzy - i do not want to fite w/ you I'm sorry i was not nice to yr friend.

I have heard very few momus songs. I have only very recently heard of the guy. I was at the point where i was curious to see what he was about, so i downloaded TWO SONGS from YR OWN FUCKING WEBSITE for fucks sake. Also Anthony sent me one he wanted me to hear while this discussion was happening. I grew angry at the attitudes that were being presented and decided that I dont want to be supportive of someone who is blindly dismissive of people that are my friends and whom I love. Forgive me for having an emotional reaction. surely if you can dismiss the 95% as being useless, i can dismiss one little 'artist'

also I think that by removing themselves from contact with the general population and cultivating animosity, the intellectuals and artists are making the situation much worse. you have ended up preaching to the converted and give the stupidity gene which you fear much more evolutionary sway.

please nobody harp on the 95% comment, i do not offer it as a quote, it has just turned up a few times on this thread

Momus is a dork. Isn't that basically what this whole thread is about?

As mentioned above by Momus himself and Mark S, at least Momus has a view and is prepared to argue it out. (And in fact start a huge discussion on the topic which is always a good thing. Isn't it?)

i acknowledge and appreciate his willingness to stick around and talk directly to his detractors. May he also find the courage to deal face to face with the rest of humanity instead of hiding in the intelligentsia clubhouse playing with his glow-in-the-dark cultural decoder ring

taking sides: "glow-in-the-dark cultural decoder ring" vs "other men's dicks"

I didn't say that 95 per cent of people were useless. They are immensely useful in terms of generating tax revenue, supplying cannon fodder worldwide, eating their fill of shite food, adapting to arbitrary routines set for them by others, working for less money than they're worth, creating the mainstream, and pretty much accepting life as it is because they genuinely believe that's the way things are and they can do nothing to change it, or believe they have reached an acceptable level of mastery in the great master/slave hoedown that is global capitalism.

And every 25 years they do it all over again (20 in Appalachia and Rotherham).

the only thing really confusing about this thread is that momus and suzy actually seem disgustingly made for each other. (in a play-doh fun factory sort of way.)

I didn't say that 95 per cent of people were useless. They are immensely useful in terms of generating tax revenue, supplying cannon fodder worldwide, eating their fill of shite food, adapting to arbitrary routines set for them by others, working for less money than they're worth, creating the mainstream, and pretty much accepting life as it is because they genuinely believe that's the way things are and they can do nothing to change it, or believe they have reached an acceptable level of mastery in the great master/slave hoedown that is global capitalism.

'Cept buy copies of your novel. Which they apparently did not do...! Christ, this thread smells like ass.

Nor buy copies of Momus' albums. Which after getting a copy of Ping Pong in a Paris flea market, I can understand. Mass public = taste.

Momus, do you want to know why you are not famous? Read this thread again - you only connect with Hoxton types.

This thread is seriously bothering me. I have one question for Hitler's Youth (Momus and Susie) do you both honestly think that you are interesting or are you both just immensely self absorbed that it has become a psychiatric injury that neither of you notice any more?

I'm believing the later.

Assholes.

Momus - do you like Michel Houellebecq?

Momus - do you like Hitler?

[this thread gets better and better]

David, calling people assholes or Hitler Youth on, ooh, your third post to ILE is not only bad manners, it's intellectually very, very poor.

Last I checked, I hadn't published a novel for you to call a failure, or provided a surname here for your busy little fingers to google.

Did you learn to criticise Hoxton types from reading the NME or something? Are you nuanced enough to figure out that what I was saying about the vast majority of people was: unlike the people who run virtually everything they consume or take in, I don't hate their fucking guts? I just wonder why they don't demand better treatment generally and then take some decisive action to make it happen.

Hate to break it to you babe, but you and Momus are part of the 95 per cent. Cause Balzac or Edith Piaf either of you ain't.

And me?

I'm proud to be part of the 95% of the people that do the loving, the fucking, the working and the living in my town.

I want to start timing the gaps between the large fights on ILX, I think there's an exact science there somewhere.

Have we reached Godwin's Law yet?

David, hate to break it to you, but Nick and I are both better at loving, fucking, working and living than you will ever, ever be.

Mind, to make that claim isn't saying much.

Right. And you and Momus and so passionate that it took infinite patience to read the meinkepf manifesto above.

Momus? I'll give you twenty of my ordinary dollars for you to write a jungle jingle for the birth of my son next week. Come on. Twenty whole normal ordinary dollars or would you prefer to be paid in majick beans and Can albums?

if there is going to be a Top Fuckers throwdown we the judges are going to DETAILS!! And PICTURES!!¡¡!!

And Suzy Q, babe, the thought of you and Momus having sex and referencing your passion with Henry Miller quotes makes it seem...how shall we say? There is a market for everything and everyone. Fortunately I do not fall into that niche.

ENOUGH. Said the King to the Jester. NOW WE DANCE!

time to rein in the barbs, people. the discourse has almost completely deteriorated

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaark!

Christ, did that seem to be a Overpriviledged Princess doth scream? Oh doth say it not so. We shall feed egoth and she shall be better by nightfall for her illumination helps us, the plebians, with her witteth and her banterth and her Joan Crawfordth personalityth.

this be the new new nas/hova thread beeyotches

Yes Ron. I was trying to think of a way to say that without sounding like a dick. But I couldn't. Yes he's right.

and who doth bredth Momus or was he created in Cherry Red hell, a cross fire hurricane of Pet Shop Boys West End Girls, Overdue Library Books, the personality x-factor of Oxford University and Marquis de Sade?

*splutters*

What kind of dork wastes valuable sex time quoting Henry Miller? Honestly, you'll have to do better than that.

"...I havent been fucked like that since grade school"."

Chortle. Somebody better give Garth here his ritalin, eh?

Mmmm, bacon. Canadian bacon...

Quoting Chuck Pahlinuk does it for me...

Momus, I'll need twenty jingles on my desk by tomorrow or else your FIRED!

Momus: Yes boss, right away boss.

(Momus works long into the night)

HOME TRUTH: We are all whores for cash.

'Nuff said.

You can talk about but we all fuck the big boss man for money. Momus, Suzy, everyone. Only twits and twats think otherwise.

(Momus laying in bed with a shattered Suzy. "He's wrong. I'll come onto this board tomorrow and show him how wrong he is". Suzy: Why of course, everyone is wrong, everyone, HEHhehHEHEHEHEHEH..)

But now you're a Manic Street Preachers ad campaign.

if anyone signed up for email alerts on this thread theyre fux0red

and with that I will leave you lot to discuss your own brilliance and importance in the world without necessarily doing brilliant or important things (unless you count Pizza Hut jingles).

Bye.

Makes sense that he's *years* out of date in more ways than one!

I'm sorry Suzy, living and fucking, so 1998, wasnt it?

Everyday I wake up glad not to be pondered down with the weight of nothing like you folks.

I did that for old times sake.

Funny boy.

*drops out again for months to come*

Everyday I wake up glad not to be pondered down with the weight of nothing like you folks.

That is so almost an Indigo Girls lyric.

I don't know why you bother to use a pseudonym Doompatrol, it's always so obvious it's you.

Yeah it was sort of clear.