Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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This is a VERY funny show sometimes, but I don't like it when they choose a reasonably good movie and then spent 45 minutes struggling to find something to make fun of.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 21:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Which ones were reasonably good, though? Out of how many? Certainly some were more generic than just plain awful, as Mike D. noted, but in those genres were plenty of examples of stupidity to trash.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 21:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Rutherford B. Hayes was born humbly to his own son, Rutherford B. Hayes Jr., in Delaware (while it was still Ohio) sometime after the French Revolution. Rejecting a career as a professional speller, he was admitted to the bar in 1815, though he did not drink lustfully from it. Serving heroically in the Civil War, Hayes admitted later that it was in the army he first tasted human flesh. In 1876, Hayes beat Bill Tilden in a three-set quarterfinal at Flushing Meadows which caused the Electrical College to declare him President of the United States.

Here are a few highlights of the administration of Rutherford B. Hayes: In 1877, Reconstruction ended, and Jacques Derrida was named Secretary of Linguistics, and the era of Deconstruction began and continues to this day. Thomas Edison invented the pornograph, beginning the Age of Pornography. President Hayes then passed the Hayes Act, started the Hayes Office, won fame as an American lyric tenor, and became Archibishop of New York in 1919.

After he retired, he founded the original ZZ Top with James Garfield and Chester Allen Arthur; shocked the world with a publicity stunt when, on a bet, he made a tent out of the underwear of William Howard Taft and lived inside for a full year; and later, Hayes retired from the stage and did a series of memorable character parts in Hollywood. Who can forget the time he was slapped by Jacqueline Bisset in the 1971 Universal movie, Airport ? And then, after inventing ringworm, Hayes died. His last words were: "I have only one life to live -- let me live it as a blond!"


Oh, and his blood type was AB.


Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 21:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've already ceded the Godzilla movies and The Painted Hills; Space Travellers is OK, if static; maybe the Hercules ones and the Russo-Finnish ones because they've got built-in camp value; This Island Earth of course; Bride of the Monster and It Conquered the World have some bravura performances; I actually find The Deadly Bees pretty suspenseful (well, *I* was faked out) and the Hamlet they chose is hardly the best version but I get teary in the end.

Not many *good* films, but it's not impossible to riff on a good movie: M Sampo once said that La Jetée and The Wizard of Oz would be pretty prime experiences. But in general good movies are too engaging -- too distracting -- to use for MSTing.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 21:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My only regret is that Hollywood never made a movie where Joe Don Baker and John Phillip Law got to lez it up.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 23:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That image is enough for me to consider gouging out my brain and squashing it flat. Well done.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 23:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cheating is bad.

Richard Basehart is good.

Would anyone like some soup?

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
A new revive just because of my new favorite exchange dredged up from my memory banks, from The Sidehackers:

ROMMEL'S BUDDY (extolling the married life): "Listen, have you ever seen me so happy?"

JOEL (grouchily deadpan): "Yeah, but you didn't know I was watching."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 September 2003 00:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Does this come on TV anymore? (Reruns, obv.)

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 26 September 2003 11:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I was going to try to start a Joel vs Mike FITE but then I remembered the audience and realized it would go nowhere.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why? Too many old-schoolers? I would probably take Mike's side, if just to make things interesting.

NA (Nick A.), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Too many people think that the fight is stupid (which is also my opinion).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

sidehackin is the thing to do, and it doesn't hurt to have a low IQ..

daria g (daria g), Friday, 26 September 2003 15:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Too many people think that the fight is stupid (which is also my opinion).

Yes. People who are kneejerk anti-Mike really annoy me.

Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 26 September 2003 15:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My roommate and I recently watched "The Sword And The Dragon" again, and while it's not nearly as good a Finnish epic movie (or episode, in general) as the Sampo movie (whose name completely eludes me right now) it DOES have one of the best skits they ever did, "A Joke: A Film by August Strindberg". Which would be impossible to recreate in text so I won't even bother trying.

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 26 September 2003 15:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's not nearly as good a Finnish epic movie

I actually think it's the best one in terms of sheer budget-on-screen spectacle -- over the top and overacted at points but beats the fuck out of just about every sort of 'epic fantasy' movie after it (in the non-sci fi trappings sense) until recent days.

the Sampo movie


"Oh yah, I remember that day..." < / Minnesota grandma twang >

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 September 2003 15:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yes yes yes. And yes "TS&TD" has really insanely high production values (what, did they just find some hideously deformed guy to play the windblowing imp, or is that actually a phenomenal makeup job?) but the plot is so arbitrary and pointless. "TDTEF" invests its plot with a bit more motivation and reason.

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 26 September 2003 15:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Does this come on TV anymore? (Reruns, obv.)

Yes, Sci-Fi Channel episodes are still rerun on Saturday mornings for the time being. Catch them while you can!

"TDTEF" invests its plot with a bit more motivation and reason.

The minor fact that it's based on the Finnish national epic the Kalevala doesn't hurt (and believe it or not, that whole joke about the sampo is straight from the source tales in a way -- nobody really DOES know what a sampo is!).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 September 2003 15:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is this the program with the garish puppets on a spaceship?

David. (Cozen), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's "Thunderbolts".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think this is the thing I was thinking of. Was there a movie of this or something? You all seem to be talking like it was a show. And in the opening scene a hole blows open in the bottom of the spaceship and one of the robots sits in it and plugs it? What a rubbish film.

David. (Cozen), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It was a show, there was also a movie. You are deluded re: its quality, but I love you. Go here: -- and learn wisdom.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't believe I've ever imagined the possibility of someone who'd seen the movie without knowing about the tv show. Hunh.

The movie is about as funny as an average episode, but was designed to be seen in the theaters (which is to say, to be seen with a big group of people). The two times I saw it in the theater, it worked very well. (But yeah, the sketches from the movie aren't all that classic, and the single-camera approach of the TV show just works soooo much better... still, it was nice to see them have a modest budget for once.)

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I saw the movie. Did they cut bits of "this island earth"? It seemed like they did.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My absolute favorite was the one sketch where they were doing foley artist sound effects. Buffalo coming over a hill: Put a bunch of hamsters in a cardboard box and shake. Water buffalo?: Just add some milk!

Can anyone ID this episode for me? Sadly, my cable company has some malevolent policy of not providing the sci-fi channel. :-(

Dale the Titled (cprek), Friday, 26 September 2003 16:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Jel: Yes they did.

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 26 September 2003 17:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dale: IIRC that's Cave Dwellers, with everyone's favorite Miles O'Keefe. (It was a Comedy Central episode as well, but it's been released on VHS and DVD.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 September 2003 17:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


Dale the Titled (cprek), Friday, 26 September 2003 17:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

And what the hey, a recent Mike interview.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 September 2003 15:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

we were just watching the '97 blockbuster special the other night.

During a preview of Contact "From The Producer of Forrest Gump" appears on the screen.

Mike: "So you can't say we didn't warn you."

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Saturday, 27 September 2003 21:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Aw, man, on the list of things I wish I had actually taped, the Statuette special is up there.

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 22:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm buying myself a little TV/VCR soon and my MST3K tapes are probably gonna be the first things to go in.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 27 September 2003 22:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
OK, my girlfriend is a huge fan and I wanna get her one of the four DVD sets for her birthday. Which volume should I get?

Volume 1: Bloodlust, Catalina Caper, Creeping Terror, Skydivers
Volume 2: Angels Revenge, Cave Dwellers, Pod People, Shorts vol.1
Volume 3: Atomic Brain, Unearthly, Sidehackers, Shorts vol.2
Volume 4: Girl In Gold Boots, Hamlet, Overdrawn at Memory Bank, Space Mutiny

And I'm thinking of getting her "Manos" to boot...

alex in montreal, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Funny you should say this as my copy of Volume 4 just arrived today! Oh glorious Space Mutiny, oh horrid Overdrawn, oh wretched Girl In Gold Boots, oh murky Hamlet, how I love thee.

As for which one, well, if she's a fan of the later seasons when Pearl was in charge, then definitely number 4 (and as it is I think all four of those episodes are among their finest). Volume 1 is mostly Mike as opposed to Joel (if that matters), who just does Catalina Caper, but that and Skydivers are both great, Creeping Terror not far off. But all that said, I'd go with volume 2 for starters -- a fantastic Mike episode, two of Joel's best and some of the best shorts they did. No Mr. B Natural though, which is a crime. (Volume 3 I'd get last -- good episodes but none that immediately standout as spectacular, a couple of the shorts aside).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, and definitely get Manos for an individual one -- after that, either Mitchell, Eegah or Red Zone Cuba.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I got Vol. 4 for Xmas from my bf and I haven't seen any of these episodes yet. "Overdrawn" and "Hamlet" sound especially nice.

"Catalina Caper" is a must.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

my sister bought me Mitchell for Christmas!

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and now that I have an iBook G4 to watch them on . . . [[rubs hands together, cackles gleefully]]

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Volume 4, if just for "Space Mutiny". That one's hilarious. As for the show itself, absolutely, postitively CLASSIC. I doubt there's any other show I've spent as much time watching as MST3k, except for maybe the Simpsons.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

if just for "Space Mutiny". That one's hilarious.

Space Mutiny, fucking Space Mutiny. I have been present to see three or four board regulars see that for The First Time Ever and their glee was uncontrolled. My god, so bad, so wonderfully wonderfully bad. I think I'll watch that one first!

"Whaddaya got me, Rick Astley?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I especially love the scene in the "futuristic" night club. "She's presentin' like a mandrill!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Anyway, as long as this has been revived -- anyone in SF should try and get to the Mike Nelson/Kevin Murphy/Bill Corbett symposium this Sunday at SF Sketchfest, while, in a moment of truly inspired, delicious madness, Mike is providing commentary to a rerelease of Reefer Madness! He's apparently supposed to be doing other commentaries for the company behind this, Legend Films.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(Actually the quote on my part was ' FOR me, Rick Astley?' Makes more sense that way.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The more I think about it the more I think that episode was their ultimate eighties riff/reference show.

"The death of Rick Springfield."

"Shake it Ralph Macchio!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm going to agree with Ned and say get Vol. 2. Pod People and Cave Dwellers are 'canonical' episodes, Angel's Revenge isn't as highly rated by the fans, but damnit I like it and the movie itself is a great 70's jigglefest camp. Plus, the shorts are pretty solid from what I remember.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 01:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The shorts on volume 2 include:

"The Home Economics Story"
"Junior Rodeo Daredevils"
"Body Care & Grooming"
"A Date With Your Family"
"Why Study Industrial Arts?"
"Chicken of Tomorrow"

A fine selection (even if two of them unfortunately recur from episodes also on DVD).

Angel's Revenge is just insane, especially thanks to the 'special guest stars.' Jack Palance, Peter Lawford, Pat Buttram, Alan Hale, Jim Backus, Arthur Godfrey! What the fuck!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

We've since watched "Space Mutiny" and "Overdrawn" -- "Space Mutiny" was kind of a let down and blah (the hula hoop scene was great, everything else was a snore) but "Overdrawn" was fantastic. I had read a lot about what a terrible movie it was, but if you ignore Standard Confusing And Arbitrary Sci-Fi Plot #54, the visual style and music were terrific and the acting was, you know, not painfully awful. And the jokes were great. Plus the sketches weren't nearly as dire as most of the Sci Fi era shows I've seen.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 10 January 2004 19:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Space Mutiny" was kind of a let down and blah (the hula hoop scene was great, everything else was a snore)

You are dead to me.

"Overdrawn" was fantastic

You live again!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 January 2004 19:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Overdrawn" is HILARIOUS, but not as hilarious as "The Girl With Gold Boots".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 10 January 2004 20:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 January 2004 20:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

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