New York City is for sellouts

sell outs man dont they know its all about thea rt art

;) ;)

ever since the late night fried chicken place closed down, late night dining just hasn't been the same here in pros. heights.

oh right, new york is so serious about their pizza you actually let papa johnses exist all over the place. Funk dat.

I will never stop repping for DC as the best-kept pizza secret in all of this major metro area culture wars

hahahahahaha goddamn i will eat shitty pizza anytime, but i'll only buy shitty pizza if it's all that's open.

the secret of pizza is that you make it yourself and it rulez and is mad cheap.

and you can put ANYTHING ON IT!K@&*(!&WS

I try that but really when you add it all up, even with tip, the 3-5 topping specials around here are regularly more economical than DIY. Should probably point out that I am too concerned with stuff like my cat and video games and internet bullshit to learn how to properly handle dough. There is a convenience factor, kind of like not owning a car.

my cat likes it when i hang out in the kitchen. he likes to eat when there are people around. i have to encourage him sometimes, tell him to "show me what a good eater" he is. annnnyway.

my cat is a tubby guts and I had to put him on the catkins diet. I am really not looking forward to the next litter exchange.

i make my pizzas with those boboli prefab crusts

jaymc, do you know where i was born?
this is not a test.

No. My knowledge of your early life begins here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/jcoombs/april2600-outside.jpg

my experience of Dupont Circle is very much the same as Laurel's, though I think it helps to exit the South Escalator

i don't think, per tombot, that being born in the city limits of a major metro awards you great properties (tho growing up in one very well might), i just think it explains why you might find sardine-ism normal or even necessary, and that this might explain your taste for new york just as much as growing up in a less urban or developed place might explain your distaste for it. i also don't see what being born in the city limits of a major northeastern metro has to do with being black, outside of quasi-northern DC or Baltimore, or maybe Newark, where the black population is just over 50%. the black population of Manhattan is only about 30%, and the other boroughs aren't substantially higher.

also, there is good pizza in DC, which is somewhat underrated as a food town, but i doubt there are many more than 2x the good pizza places there are in New Haven, 1/10 its size, or that the average quality is marginally better than the pizza available in LaGuardia Airport, which has a branch of Todd English's Figs. and of course a slice is not available on every other corner like in you know where.

yea the deal with NYC isnt that it just has good pizza, its that its got good pizza every two blocks

gbx i never really consider the midwest because i couldn't live there (not s ome kind of cultural imperialism nonsense, i like to be near the ocean) -- sorry for the oversight!

gabbneb otm both on there being good food in dc, and that there is only about 2 good pizza options there. no offense to mr. "i like that upside down backwards pizza!" que, we've debated that one a couple times already.

also uh no one else gonna call out on the "you tried to be black" thing? jesus fucking christ.

Ok, but it depends rather heavily where in ANY city you are living, and on the whole Manhattan is more expensive.

dude, haven't you read the hand-wringing recently over apts in bk becoming more expensive than significant portions of manhattan? i'm being totally serious here, there has been newspaper drama over this factoid especially wrt the whole "what you get out of it" segment of the crowd, because what you get out of living on mckibbin in terms of amenities is significantly less than what you'd get in the east village for example. it's been a rather laughable drama, to me, because who the hell didn't see that coming once bk became hip and family-friendly to yuppies and college students? i read the articles for the lolz (this is generally the only reason to read the times, actually).

which of course it is like omg times way to ignore, like, bed-stuy in your analysis but it just goes to prove the point that queens and bk aren't really different from manhattan in this regard anymore.

nb sorry staten island and the bronx you still do not count

also uh no one else gonna call out on the "you tried to be black" thing? jesus fucking christ.

jesus fucking christ indeed! I'm fighting a straw man here anyway since nobody's really saying anything like "I'm from queens I am realer than all you suburbanite transients"

yeah but dude this is like the second time in recent times that i've seen you fight a strawman in that kinda fashion and it's a little wtf!

ie i don't think it was a good or accurate or very nice way of fighting the scarecrow.

I will never stop repping for DC as the best-kept pizza secret in all of this major metro area culture wars

― TOMBOT, Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:04 AM

got ya back here

well if I was good or accurate or nice I wouldn't be so good at my job ha ha

which of course it is like omg times way to ignore, like, bed-stuy in your analysis but it just goes to prove the point that queens and bk aren't really different from manhattan in this regard anymore.

The only part of Queens that is more expensive than manhattan isn't worth living in. The rest is still greatly cheaper than Manhattan and most of Brooklyn too.

any white person who expects some kind of big props for being born in the city limits of a major metropolis can kind of lick it, congratulations, you tried to be black and you were *squishes head* THIS CLOSE!!

― TOMBOT, Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:36 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark

I don't really see where any white person on this thread is claiming being born in a city as anything other than a fact about where they were born. I was born in Manhattan. I lived most of my pre-college life just inside the city limits of DC, where I went to public schools. My junior high was about 60% black and my high school was 90% black. None of this made me tough or black (though I get the feeling your conflating the two?), in fact I am a weakling and a coward.

also, probably shouldn't be assuming blacks are the dominant minority group of any city post-1970s. changing demographics lol. latinos dominated my neighborhood growing up, and were in roughly equal number to african americans in my inner-city high school. i am extremely white btw.

Where is Tombot from? Where does 'trying to be black' even come from? NYC area is the largest metropolitan area in North America; there's a lot more to it than the handful of traditionally black neighborhoods scattered around the place.

xpost on the latinos thing; where I grew up outside of NYC it was mostly Italians, Poles, eastern European Jews, and Puerto Ricans.

i grew up in a wealthy predominantly white suburb of boston and im a bad ass motherfucker

dudes this is 2008, there is good pizza everywhere

blacks are a majority of the population in most big Southern cities, especially in the Deep South, but outside of the South only in Detroit, Gary, and Newark (and DC and Baltimore if you don't define them as the South for this purpose)

and only barely in Newark

"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe -- We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."

"This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans. Those who are running our factories and teaching our kids and growing our food and are fighting our wars for us. Those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."

-- Sarah Palin, Greensboro, N.C.

of course, that wasn't a dog whistle or anything

http://www.timeout.com/chicago/articles/comedy/68404/bust-a-move

the things that time out publishes are appalling. that said, chicago seems marginally better than ny or london in terms of writing. point to chicago! uh, that imitation of this thread you just posted non-withstanding.

I thought it was funny. I know that dude, though.

i just think it sounds like some kinda tiresome ilxors, sorry i didn't mean to insult your friend :\

also to respond to something from a week ago

The only part of Queens that is more expensive than manhattan isn't worth living in. The rest is still greatly cheaper than Manhattan and most of Brooklyn too.

mostly true but there were several "this makes this more expensive" factors for renting in quite a lot of queens that made me decide against the neighborhood. for buying it is like head & shoulders above brooklyn without a doubt.

and quite frankly above any number of more "reasonably priced" cities that ppl have brought up in this thread as well.

I haven’t done my research, but I’m pretty sure this is where Spike Lee’s Crooklyn was set. I may be paying twice as much rent as I was in Chicago, but I’m literally living inside a hit movie.

YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH

http://www.timeout.com/chicago/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/192/192.x600.comedy.open.kumail.tif.jpg?width=220http://www.pathwaytours.com/YakovSmirnoff.jpg

Queens? Might as well live in Jersey.

haha queens is more/just as accessible to the city as most of bk is. tho don't listen to me, being stuck on the j for 6 months made jersey city look appealing.

queens might as well live in some sort of culinary wonderland

That guy is more than welcome to move away from New York at any time. But I can understand that he has to live somewhere with public transit, it's hard to drive when you're looking so far down your nose. So his options probably ARE limited.

guys he's a COMEDIAN so he's making JOKES

The best Kumail joke I ever heard was him complaining that MS Word spellcheck corrects his name to "Camel".

way to disprove his central thesis about NYers having no sense of humor

there are certain ppl in my social group who are just like terrible "brooklyn shut up" types (it is like there are two parts of nyc, soho/les and brooklyn lol!!) and i have been kind of pushed back upon going other places than these douchebag wonderlands and i plan to rectify that and start dragging pplz asses back to queens at some point when i no longer have the BIRD FLU or whatever is killing me right now

xpost i get it's a joke, nick. it's not a funny one??? he's doing kind of an outdated "lol midwesterners who move to nyc act like dickbags" thing that he apparently stole from you, in 2003?

My sense of humor has been sharpened by unemployment and the teeth of rats. That writing is like the broad side of a barn.

"this makes this more expensive" factors for renting in quite a lot of queens

for me, the fact that it really helps to have a car in queens, yet parking in some areas is almost as hard as brooklyn. That's an issue.

Queens has way more going on then Jersey City, though Jersey City may have better Dosas.

Queens has Nick's Pizza though, which I had for the first time last night.

i mean if you are getting that his central thesis is that new yorkers are assholes then you aren't getting what he's saying about asshole transplants actually.

even with that lolling at this piece would be like lolling at tom's ppl pretending they are black strawman upthread??? why are you making fun of a thing that doesn't really exist except in a very limited format, and why do so many ppl do this tired thing?

xpost yeah not having a car really limits you actually! you have to keep yourself to a certain number of neighborhoods if you want to be able to make it to work in less than 2 hours.