i love the wire 4ever but fuck if i hear another quote about 'the game'
― mark cl, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Not reading this, as am only near the end of season 2, but is Omar the best character on TV ever?
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Indeed.
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Omar's role in the series always seemed kinda obvious and irritating to me - he's the one guy that's unbeholden to any of the institutions that trip up everyone else, and he has this moral code that he lives by, he only robs/kills criminals, he loves his momma, etc. And as an extra bone to all us open-minded liberals out there, he's GAY! Its all just so ridiculously idealized. This from a show that otherwise prided itself on its realism...
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway my favorite character was Prop Joe.
I see what you're saying, and yet he's just so much damn fun to watch.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
xpostHis performance makes it easy to forgive all that, for me anyway.
― Brio, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah Omar is fun. he allows the viewer some rare moments of satisfaction re: people getting what they deserve, etc.
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxp shakey - i don't think he feels much for his momma, he was raised by his grandmother.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
shakey omar is based on a real person
― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
realism is not very fun. the wire is fun. the wire is not realistic. it takes place in a realistic environment. i know people clown the whole "dickensian" bit and maybe the show clowns itself w/r/t it, but it's not far off the mark.
― jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
lolz "based on a true story!"
what are you, 12 years old
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
this doesn't mean Shakey has to "believe" in Omar, though
― jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
dickens had realistic environments with characters who were just a tad unrealistic and OTT. not sure why this is a negative about the wire, if anything it's a positive.
hmm I had never made the Dickens connection before but that is a really good point of comparison, def a lot of parallels
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link
"he's the one guy that's unbeholden to any of the institutions that trip up everyone else"Did you see the ending? That he actually is beholden is his undoing. Also, he has Spider-man powers.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link
james morrison, stop reading this thread btw
― jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link
come back later when you've finished
i.e. "that's some spiderman shit right there."
― sarahel, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Did you see the ending? That he actually is beholden is his undoing. Also, he has Spider-man powers.
haha nah, I stopped at the end of season 4 and everything I've read about season 5 sounds super-silly. altho yes the glory of wikipedia has clued me in as to the conclusion of Omar's character arc
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
'thats some spiderman shit right there' is based on a real thing that happened to donnie andrews. watch the commentary
― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
that really was the only scene where i liked Marlo.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Is it true that Donnie (Andrews, the inspiration for Omar) in real life jumped off a balcony the same height that Omar did?
Actually, two floors higher.
Two floors higher?
The Murphy Homes. He also jumped off the rail bridge at Poplar Grove, onto the rail bed. That was probably about three stories. And he hurt his ankle. It’s just true. Those jumps, by an athletic person, can actually be made and are made, routinely. By a non-athletic person? if I made it, I’d be all over the pavement and they’d pick me up with a spoon. If you made it, they’d pick you up with a spoon. When 28-year-old Donnie Andrews makes that jump because he has to, sometimes he makes it. It’s funny: I’m doing this thing now with recon Marines, “Generation Kill.” And some of them had no problem with the jump. They just started telling stories about recon training. I don’t know whether to believe them or not, but I do believe Donnie.
It was a story I actually used, I wrote about the first time back in 1990. That story was all through the ghetto: “They had him cornered, and motherfucker jumped off the railroad bridge and kept running. Did not want to die that day.” But we did want it to feel a little bit mythic, and “What the fuck?” because it fit with the general arc of Greek tragedy.
― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
season 5 isn't super-silly, although it has some super-silly moments / episodes.
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
(btw, donnie andrews wasn't gay deej)
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
isn't/wasn't whatever
well that changes everything!
― sarahel, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Marlo was also sympathetic early on when he showed his love for pigeons.
― five minutes of iguana time (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^roflz
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link
omar isn't gay because of the "liberals"
― jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link
its not that any one of those characteristics I listed makes him unrealistic (hey, all gangsters love their grandmas, right? haha) but the combo of all of them together in one character is just kinda ridiculous.
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
why is being gay unrealistic
― harbl, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link
because gay people don't love their grandmas very often
― sarahel, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link
gay people are a myth propagated by the liberal atheist socialist humanist agenda dontchaknow
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
im glad youve realized the ridiculousness of your position
― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
yes you have convinced me that a black, gay, robin hood-type near-superhuman stickup man is TOTALLY REALISTIC
kudos
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link
how do you know what real stickup men are like though? what is "realism"?
― harbl, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
what is "art"?
― max, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
what is "gay"?
― Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
superhuman?
― jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
no black gay people are superhuman in real life
― harbl, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i know because i have never met one
it's not like he's routinely performing superhuman acts - his supposedly superhuman feats consist solely of jumping off that balcony.
― sarahel, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
shakey omar is based on a real person― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:51 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:51 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you want it to be one way
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
it's not like he's Bruce Willis in Die Hard.
do the shakey leg
― GANGSTA KILLER (deej), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
guys, the thing is: it's the other way
― itdn put butt in the display name (gbx), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
He is so superhuman that he is SPOILER murdered by a small child in a convenience store.
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I agree w/ shakey
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
uh oh i'm having a fantasy (about a black, gay, robin hood-type near-superhuman stickup man)
― jØrdån (omar little), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link