Ok, but it depends rather heavily where in ANY city you are living, and on the whole Manhattan is more expensive. I mean I'm pretty sure New York is still the overall highest rent city in the country.
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2008 02:47 (fifteen years ago) link
who are the native chicago people on ilx (born & raised w/in city limits)?
― velko, Saturday, 18 October 2008 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link
it is not actually significantly more expensive than the other cities we are talking about, imo.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, October 17, 2008 12:54 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
^^^ if you have included chicago in your "other cities" then you are utterly, spectacularly wrong
― the valves of houston (gbx), Saturday, 18 October 2008 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Only ones I know for sure are Phil-Two and K3rry K3an3. I can never remember the deal with deej and Amateurist -- I know both went to high school in Evanston, but I think both lived within city limits at some point, too.
― jaymc, Saturday, 18 October 2008 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link
("lived" = "grew up in," like pre-high school)
jaymc, do you know where i was born?this is not a test.
― ian, Saturday, 18 October 2008 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm just curious.
― ian, Saturday, 18 October 2008 04:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I do love the metro, esp the escalator at Dpont Circle and how on a sunny day it's basically symbolically departing the womb for your new life/greener pastures (ie a place where you can smoke). I like a little rebirth in my daily life.
this would be word except my option in life has been apparently to return to this hellish robot womb every day, in order to perform my hellish robot duties, and then be exhumed into darkness so that I may recoup morale via those meager means my neighborhood makes available at such hours (read: playstation with doctor ben and lager)
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 05:34 (fifteen years ago) link
and btw frankly any white person who expects some kind of big props for being born in the city limits of a major metropolis can kind of lick it, congratulations, you tried to be black and you were *squishes head* THIS CLOSE!!
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 05:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i wish mpls had a soccerball team
http://pages.globetrotter.net/bb/pennants/nasl/MinnesotaKicks.jpg
I saw these guys play when I was a kid.
― Eazy, Saturday, 18 October 2008 05:38 (fifteen years ago) link
playstation with doctor ben and lager
this btw is really an excellent way to relax and decompress, I just wish my favorite pizza joint would deliver after 11pm (the hours are an issue with DC I will not deny. however, just because it's always open doesn't mean it's good. You know who you are.*
*TOWNS WITH BIG MUSIC SCENES.
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 05:45 (fifteen years ago) link
oh i thought that meant papa john's.
― ian, Saturday, 18 October 2008 05:54 (fifteen years ago) link
sell outs man dont they know its all about thea rt art
― bart_stanberg, Saturday, 18 October 2008 05:54 (fifteen years ago) link
;) ;)
ever since the late night fried chicken place closed down, late night dining just hasn't been the same here in pros. heights.
oh right, new york is so serious about their pizza you actually let papa johnses exist all over the place. Funk dat.
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I will never stop repping for DC as the best-kept pizza secret in all of this major metro area culture wars
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link
hahahahahaha goddamn i will eat shitty pizza anytime, but i'll only buy shitty pizza if it's all that's open.
― ian, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link
the secret of pizza is that you make it yourself and it rulez and is mad cheap.
― ian, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:05 (fifteen years ago) link
and you can put ANYTHING ON IT!K@&*(!&WS
I try that but really when you add it all up, even with tip, the 3-5 topping specials around here are regularly more economical than DIY. Should probably point out that I am too concerned with stuff like my cat and video games and internet bullshit to learn how to properly handle dough. There is a convenience factor, kind of like not owning a car.
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:08 (fifteen years ago) link
my cat likes it when i hang out in the kitchen. he likes to eat when there are people around. i have to encourage him sometimes, tell him to "show me what a good eater" he is. annnnyway.
― ian, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:10 (fifteen years ago) link
my cat is a tubby guts and I had to put him on the catkins diet. I am really not looking forward to the next litter exchange.
― TOMBOT, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:12 (fifteen years ago) link
i make my pizzas with those boboli prefab crusts
― bart_stanberg, Saturday, 18 October 2008 06:16 (fifteen years ago) link
No. My knowledge of your early life begins here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/jcoombs/april2600-outside.jpg
― jaymc, Saturday, 18 October 2008 07:21 (fifteen years ago) link
my experience of Dupont Circle is very much the same as Laurel's, though I think it helps to exit the South Escalator
i don't think, per tombot, that being born in the city limits of a major metro awards you great properties (tho growing up in one very well might), i just think it explains why you might find sardine-ism normal or even necessary, and that this might explain your taste for new york just as much as growing up in a less urban or developed place might explain your distaste for it. i also don't see what being born in the city limits of a major northeastern metro has to do with being black, outside of quasi-northern DC or Baltimore, or maybe Newark, where the black population is just over 50%. the black population of Manhattan is only about 30%, and the other boroughs aren't substantially higher.
also, there is good pizza in DC, which is somewhat underrated as a food town, but i doubt there are many more than 2x the good pizza places there are in New Haven, 1/10 its size, or that the average quality is marginally better than the pizza available in LaGuardia Airport, which has a branch of Todd English's Figs. and of course a slice is not available on every other corner like in you know where.
― gabbneb, Saturday, 18 October 2008 12:55 (fifteen years ago) link
yea the deal with NYC isnt that it just has good pizza, its that its got good pizza every two blocks
― max, Saturday, 18 October 2008 13:01 (fifteen years ago) link
gbx i never really consider the midwest because i couldn't live there (not s ome kind of cultural imperialism nonsense, i like to be near the ocean) -- sorry for the oversight!
gabbneb otm both on there being good food in dc, and that there is only about 2 good pizza options there. no offense to mr. "i like that upside down backwards pizza!" que, we've debated that one a couple times already.
also uh no one else gonna call out on the "you tried to be black" thing? jesus fucking christ.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Ok, but it depends rather heavily where in ANY city you are living, and on the whole Manhattan is more expensive.
dude, haven't you read the hand-wringing recently over apts in bk becoming more expensive than significant portions of manhattan? i'm being totally serious here, there has been newspaper drama over this factoid especially wrt the whole "what you get out of it" segment of the crowd, because what you get out of living on mckibbin in terms of amenities is significantly less than what you'd get in the east village for example. it's been a rather laughable drama, to me, because who the hell didn't see that coming once bk became hip and family-friendly to yuppies and college students? i read the articles for the lolz (this is generally the only reason to read the times, actually).
which of course it is like omg times way to ignore, like, bed-stuy in your analysis but it just goes to prove the point that queens and bk aren't really different from manhattan in this regard anymore.
nb sorry staten island and the bronx you still do not count
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link
jesus fucking christ indeed! I'm fighting a straw man here anyway since nobody's really saying anything like "I'm from queens I am realer than all you suburbanite transients"
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah but dude this is like the second time in recent times that i've seen you fight a strawman in that kinda fashion and it's a little wtf!
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link
ie i don't think it was a good or accurate or very nice way of fighting the scarecrow.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:04 AM
got ya back here
― mookieproof, Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
well if I was good or accurate or nice I wouldn't be so good at my job ha ha
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 18 October 2008 17:47 (fifteen years ago) link
The only part of Queens that is more expensive than manhattan isn't worth living in. The rest is still greatly cheaper than Manhattan and most of Brooklyn too.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 18 October 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
any white person who expects some kind of big props for being born in the city limits of a major metropolis can kind of lick it, congratulations, you tried to be black and you were *squishes head* THIS CLOSE!!
― TOMBOT, Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:36 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark
I don't really see where any white person on this thread is claiming being born in a city as anything other than a fact about where they were born. I was born in Manhattan. I lived most of my pre-college life just inside the city limits of DC, where I went to public schools. My junior high was about 60% black and my high school was 90% black. None of this made me tough or black (though I get the feeling your conflating the two?), in fact I am a weakling and a coward.
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2008 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
also, probably shouldn't be assuming blacks are the dominant minority group of any city post-1970s. changing demographics lol. latinos dominated my neighborhood growing up, and were in roughly equal number to african americans in my inner-city high school. i am extremely white btw.
― velko, Sunday, 19 October 2008 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Where is Tombot from? Where does 'trying to be black' even come from? NYC area is the largest metropolitan area in North America; there's a lot more to it than the handful of traditionally black neighborhoods scattered around the place.
xpost on the latinos thing; where I grew up outside of NYC it was mostly Italians, Poles, eastern European Jews, and Puerto Ricans.
― burt_stanton, Sunday, 19 October 2008 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
i grew up in a wealthy predominantly white suburb of boston and im a bad ass motherfucker
― parade! (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:06 (fifteen years ago) link
dudes this is 2008, there is good pizza everywhere
― metametadata (n/a), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:23 (fifteen years ago) link
blacks are a majority of the population in most big Southern cities, especially in the Deep South, but outside of the South only in Detroit, Gary, and Newark (and DC and Baltimore if you don't define them as the South for this purpose)
― gabbneb, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link
and only barely in Newark
― gabbneb, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe -- We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."
"This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans. Those who are running our factories and teaching our kids and growing our food and are fighting our wars for us. Those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."
-- Sarah Palin, Greensboro, N.C.
― gabbneb, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link
of course, that wasn't a dog whistle or anything
http://www.timeout.com/chicago/articles/comedy/68404/bust-a-move
― jaymc, Thursday, 30 October 2008 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link
the things that time out publishes are appalling. that said, chicago seems marginally better than ny or london in terms of writing. point to chicago! uh, that imitation of this thread you just posted non-withstanding.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought it was funny. I know that dude, though.
― jaymc, Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
i just think it sounds like some kinda tiresome ilxors, sorry i didn't mean to insult your friend :\
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
also to respond to something from a week ago
mostly true but there were several "this makes this more expensive" factors for renting in quite a lot of queens that made me decide against the neighborhood. for buying it is like head & shoulders above brooklyn without a doubt.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
and quite frankly above any number of more "reasonably priced" cities that ppl have brought up in this thread as well.
I haven’t done my research, but I’m pretty sure this is where Spike Lee’s Crooklyn was set. I may be paying twice as much rent as I was in Chicago, but I’m literally living inside a hit movie.
YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH
― edb, Thursday, 30 October 2008 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link