siouxsie and the banshees: classic or dud? search and destroy

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There isn't a single version of the song "Dear Prudence" in existence that isn't absolute shit. I really, really hate the song, it doesn't matter who does it.

Conversely, every version of "Helter Skelter" is awesome, including U2's.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Beatles stole this song from Siouxsie. Fucking punks. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA."

(This could only have improved Rattle and Hum.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

like r.e.m., the very first work they ever did was brilliant -- possibly the greatest punk rock ever. (the demos roar unconfined by the dated production on _the scream_.) subsequent early releases showed great songs nearly destroyed by the senselessly thin pop production. and like r.e.m., they turned to shit too soon and stayed way too long.

Everything in this paragraph makes my head spin

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

From the authorised biography, you can learn such facts as that the Banshees sold three times as many t-shirts when they ended their shows with 'Dear Prudence'.

[Also that Jon Klein was sacked for hair-loss...Before reading that I always thought there was a rock'n'roll gene that somehow ensured that an unlikely percentage of males in the music business (except Elton John & Phil Collins) keeps a full head of hair.]

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

From the authorised biography, you can learn such facts as that the Banshees sold three times as many t-shirts when they ended their shows with 'Dear Prudence'.

This is kind of all the reasons why I hate people encapsulated in an evil little parable.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Nocturne finally out on DVD!. As I had a VHS tape with only twelve of the sixteen songs this is rather good to hear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

OOooooh! Cheers, Ned!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 May 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh hell yes! I've always wanted to see this...I was raised on the LP version.

I've been wanting to buy A Kiss in the Dreamhouse for years and years but keep waiting for the remaster and it never seems to come. *frowns*

Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 22 May 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Kaliedoscope and Juju
Destroy: everything that came after with the possible exception of the single "Isreal"

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 22 May 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

You've desecrated my post! A Kiss in the Dreamhouse and Nocturne came after that and it's my favourite era of Siouxsie! "Painted Bird", "Cascade", "Fireworks", "Melt!", and so on = utterly divine.

Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

(x-post) You're buggin'.

Everything up to the "Song From the Edge Of The World" 12" has much merit.

Not too familiar with their output post - "Peek A Boo"

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Each of their albums has got some great tracks on them.

They had some problems with lyrics, for example this one from Arabian Knights:

Whilst you conquer more orifices
Of boys, goats and things

(oh 'things' - that'll do)

but the texture of their music is fantastic.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Eastern Mantra, I think this means that I am about 4 years older than you, and nothing else. Sorry 'bout that desecration--- Absolve me!

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Whilst you conquer more orifices
Of boys, goats and things"

you have to forgive them for 'things' since the previous line uses Whilst and orifices. I always like how often SATB use the word 'Whilst'

Pete Baumann, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I like their version of Dear Prudence better than the Beatles' too. It's so psychedelic/groovy sounding, and the video's great.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

How's the quality of the Nocturne DVD?

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The Nocturne DVD hasn't been released. The band blocked it because it was being hastily released by the label without any remastering/extras of any significance. Hopefully it will be coming out in a more deluxe form in the future. (all this is according to steve severin's forum)

Pete Baumann, Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

"Waiting FOOOOOOR a sign..."

Listening to a okay-enough sounding recording from Southampton on the Juju tour in 1981 right now. Such a great band.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link

From 1983 until 1986 the only (then) new music i bothered with was the Banshees.

Nothing else seemed even vaguely interesting, although there was much hilarity.

i, grey, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 04:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I was just thinking of Siouxsie the other day -- I saw the 4CD box set used the other day, wondered if i shouldn't go ahead and pick it up. i have all but maybe two of the studio albums. is this worth my money?

stephen, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think it's well worth it. It's got a lot of totally classic b-sides I remember, sprinkled with plenty of other stuff that wasn't quite as good but almost always interesting. It's also got a lot less of the earliest punk-style stuff than I suspected, which I was glad about.

I was thinking of them just the other day too! Some lyric came into my head..."you're not seeing/what meant to believe in/your non-excuse for a human being..." I think that was it.

Bimble, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

i wonder if the rest of the remasters will ever come out.

akm, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Hah, I was thinking that the other day.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Box set is totally worth it for the B-sides.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 10 July 2008 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Given that I've just really started getting into Siouxsie and The Banshees recently I thought I'd ressurect this thread.

I had 'Hyena' for a while which I'd bought because of the Robert Smith collection. I recently picked up 'Nocturne' on the basis of Ned's recommendation. Since then I've been super hooked. Bought "Kaleidoscope", "Juju" and "A Kiss in the Dreamhouse" which are all great as well. Will pick up "The Scream" and "Join Hands" this weekend. Given that I've started with live stuff I'm thinking about getting the BBC box when I get paid. What about the remaining albums? What should I prioritise?

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 12:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I quite like the b-sides boxset: full of oddities and "experiments", but it is great great fun.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd pick up the remainder as they get reissued.

sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Severin confirmed somewhere that the rest of the reissues have been cancelled.

akm, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

WAHT

oh that is BULLSHIT

sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Unacceptable.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

this sucks a lot

sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Siouxsie and the Banshees Benched Reissues-ees?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not sure those records really need to be remastered. they sound fine. it would be nice to have a full set of the whole catalogue and some other bonus tracks, but I think the critical albums were done. whether you like the mastering job on them is another thing entirely I suppose.

akm, Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I was using the reissues as an excuse to build up my Banshee catalogue; before now, I had cassette copies of Hyaena, Tinderbox and Peepshow and a copy of Superstition on CD. Now I have them all up through Kiss in the Dreamhouse.

sheryl crow but with a very long butt (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Through The Looking Glass... great covers album or the greatest covers album?

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 23 August 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

It's the covers album that, when I was 14, turned me on to lots of bands by virtue of making me look for them. Back before the internet, that took a certain amount of work...and they didn't make it easy, not listing the original artists in the liner notes and all.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 August 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

it was years before I knew that "wheel's on fire" was a cover. siouxsie's still sounds like the right one to me.

akm, Monday, 23 August 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Hello. So a few weeks back there was that photo of Siouxsie, Steve Severin and Marc Almond at the _Hannibal_ season premiere event in the UK, and that was cool and all. Apparently it's just been announced that's there's a whole new Siouxsie and the Banshees track for the season finale!

https://twitter.com/TVKevLance/status/620028442172481536

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 July 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link

I would certainly be up for some new Siouxsie with Banshees in tow!

TheSkysGoneOut (Jason Pitzl-Waters), Sunday, 12 July 2015 23:45 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

Been playing a lot of Siouxsie lately. I don't know why this stuff never really clicked for me sixteen or seventeen years ago when I was really getting into the Cure for the first time. I certainly gave them a chance around that time — guess I just kind of glossed it all over. I was possibly wanting more of a melodic sound similar to the Cure. But, the guitar work has revealed itself on those early records to be, yes a bit more atonal, but ultimately just fantastic throughout.

And such a solid run up through and including Peepshow.

Austin, Saturday, 30 April 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link

Think my fav banshees atm is a kiss in the dreamhouse

real orgone kid (NickB), Saturday, 30 April 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link

That one has some truly great material on it ('Cascade', 'Painted Bird' and especially 'Slowdive'), but it kind of feels second tier to me when surrounded by Juju and Hyæna.

Austin, Saturday, 30 April 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

Curiously, I too admire them more now than I did then. A top twenty-five.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2017 02:27 (seven years ago) link

Awesome list! Cool to see "Dazzle" on here - particularly like the "Baby Piano" version

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Thursday, 16 February 2017 02:32 (seven years ago) link

yes!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 February 2017 03:29 (seven years ago) link

Good summary. Their best overlooked song is "Fireworks". And "The Thorn EP" is their hidden gem.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 16 February 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link

<3 "Slowdive", it really is a disorienting listen. Agreed about the peak 3 albums, they were a big deal to me in the 80's.

a Radiohead album stamping on a human face, forever (sleeve), Thursday, 16 February 2017 03:52 (seven years ago) link

Um. Where is "Night Shift"? Also, "Suburban Relapse", "Icon", "Playground Twist", "Monitor", "92 Degrees", "Land's End", "Voodoo Dolly"

ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 16 February 2017 04:25 (seven years ago) link


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