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I liked him last night. He's pretty cool now that he's hurt. And I feel like - frankly - I understand him much more than Bullock's. Bullock's a boring nerd. And I'm happy to see Sol finally begin to come into his own.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I like that Swearengen -- for all his amorality, killing and general willingness to engage in appalling behavior -- is also in some ways a much more reasonable guy than Bullock. And more likable too (I love Trixie's contempt for Bullock -- the show doesn't lionize him even though he's the ostensible "good" guy).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Ed Rooney was arrested for taking pictures of 14yr old boys. Not girls.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

WOAH

just adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I've made it through the first two eps but I'm not enthralled. Do I get more Parker/Olyphant and less Calamity Jane as the season goes on?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

No.

just adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Jane actually gets much, much better.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Trixie's contempt for Bullock -- the show doesn't lionize him even though he's the ostensible "good" guy.

OTMFM. Swearengen is the REAL hero of the show; Bullock is this sort of confused teenager.

I personally think the whole thing is what MOST great ensemble cast stories are: a personification of the inner life of the chief writer. Bullock THINKS he's the superego, but he's really the id; Swearengen THINKS he's the id, but he's really the ego.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I dislike Bullock, but the fact that I dislike him makes me like him more if that makes any sense.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

It does, and I agree. My favorites:

Trixie
Doc
Alma (ooh, I just know she's a con-artist. I know it. I used to hate her, until it occured to me she was an evil bitch. Now I like her tons.)
Starr (getting better, and I hope to see him allied w. Trixie against Bullock).
and Ricky Jay's character. Is he back this season?


and, naturally, Swearengen.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Dan Dority a lot!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, yes. Especially in the last episode where he cried!? That was wonderful. Also - OTMFM, Forksclovetofu w. the Ego/Id/Superego business. I've thought the same thing mesself, though differently modeled, but you wrote it up all clever-like, and now I'm going to steal your conception.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"Yeah I just farted..so what?"

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i just watched Gangs of New York last night for the first time; does anyone else see any cross influence here? maybe it's just the moustaches. I think McShane might have made a better Bill the Butcher.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

now don't be taking no sides .... I don't think either of those characters could have been done any better by anyone else. i did notice the comparison, though, as i mentioned upthread. they're built from the same mold.

lemin (lemin), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, I missed your earlier post!

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

There's old New Yorkers littered all over the house. I'm gonna have to find the Milch one. What's the cover date?

Austin (Austin), Sunday, 20 March 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The February 14 & 21 double issue.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 21 March 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you. Now, onward...

That, if I may be motherfuckin' permitted to voice my goddamn opinion on the topic which we have at here to fuckin' hand, could possibly be concieved as my favorite episode to date, despite the motherfuckin' surfeit of Al, speaking of his estimable (yet lacking in coherence) contributions in the matter of dialogues. This sonofabitch Mr. W - and if that's not a name evocative of our ways and times I'll be doubly fucked as to what could qualify - is representing a shadowy, powerful, distant motherfucker who's very name puts a shake in the boots of everyone in this shithole camp from a craven cocksucker like E.B. to the icewatery veins of Cy Fuckin' Tolliver? Oh, he's a body to keep your bloodshot peepers on of a one hundred percent certainty.

Austin (Austin), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Ricky Jay is NOT back this season; presumably he has other work to see to.
I think tonight's episode was as strong as anything the show has ever done; after two shows to set up the general tone and tenor of the season (and, not incidentally, suggest that all the characters are just a whisper away from killing each other at any given time, so don't touch that dial), we are with all four wheels on the ground and rolling.

The sequence where Trixie told off the Jew ("fuck the whole lot of you. i wish i was a tree") was as brilliant and clean and incisive as anything I've ever seen on television.

OTM with Dan crying. Such a great character.

Did anybody else notice that the actor who plays the new Hearst man is the same guy who killed Wild Bill?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I'd note that I was a little iffy about Milch's plan to "unman" Swearengen so as to further the interaction of everybody ELSE in the town, seeing as I love watching him strut the stage so.
His screams echoing through the town while the Doc wielded the sound were a suggestion that Swearengen NEVER is out of the picture; he's the Lear that everyone else's plans have to intersect or respect.
In any case, again: yeah, this could have been the best episode yet.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Agreed. And I think that Swearengen's third-episode screaming montage is in direct parallel to his vocal Trixie-fucking in the third episode of the first season. As is the use of Dillahunt's Mr. W. character (also Jack McCall - I looked him up) as playing a potential gambit against series regulars. Alma's nastiness was wonderful, and I'm beginning to see great potential for her intersection w. Trixie. They've got a similar end-goal, and I think it involves Bullock. Moreover: great moments =

1) Trixie / Jane
2) "Don't look me in the face."
3) "Don't spread the rumors. About the claims. Don't."
4) "Maybe I'm wrong on account of me being perpetually fucking drunk."

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 21 March 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that Trixie/Jane scene was perfect, so many things going on there, well written and well played. All the best scenes were between women: Joanie and Maddie, Alma and her nanny. Mr. W. gives me the cold robbies. And bringing Hearst into the picture is great. Makes me wish Milch could do several interconnected 19th century series, tying all the robber baron stories together. There's your (cocksucking cunting fucking) People's History of the United States, for fuck's sake. (Although, does W. really work for Hearst? Or is he possibly bullshitting?)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno. I do notice in the cast listing for the show that Cy's still credited as guest-cast. Meaning, naturally, that --


ahem.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

oink oink.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Whatsername, Joanie's fuckin' partner in whoredom knew this W. cocksucker from San Francisco, if I'm not mistaken on account of being fuckin' drunk all the time. I possess no lofty intellect the likes of Doc or E.W. fuckin' Merrick, but I can connect a dot or two if that is the task at which I find my fuckin' self put. Being that the Wolcott cocksucker is apparently legitimately from San Fan Fuckin' Frisco and that he seems to have enough pull to get into the highest priced of pussy vending establishments there and even to have his preference for cunt catered to as he embarks on long cross country journeys into lawless territory dominated by dirt worshipping heathens I harbor more than just a suspicion that he's the real fuckin' deal. This has no bearing on whether the dandy dickheaded psychopath and con arteeste will or won't fail to fill the bellies of the swine that Celestial shitbird keeps, of course.

(it's fun to post in Deadwoodese!)

Austin, Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, the "Guest" status of powers boothe probably has more to do with his contracted billing than his status with the pigs.
Not that I'd doubt it one way or another.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I may be stating the obvious here, but is everyone aware that Jewel is the same actress from the "VERY SPECIAL EPISODE" of facts of life?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel like the dialogue on this show is very Shakespearian, E.B.'s monologues in particular, but pretty much anything involving discussions of the current goings on - not to mention, if they were to remove all the expletives it wouldn't be all that far off from his language as well. it's one of the things i love most about the show, for obvious reasons

lemin (lemin), Monday, 21 March 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, i just realized that during E.B.'s first monologue, he's trying to rub out a blood spot on the floor. i don't know how i missed that ...

lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 08:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"You geek-looking fuck, get the fuck away from before I cut your heart out" - Veronica Mars-whore is so great. Too bad that character won't be making a return. (Though the guy who played Wild Bill's killer is returning as another character.)

This got better after the first two and moved onto incredible about episode five.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh baby. It is, how you say, on.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Not a bad episode last night; mostly I'm happy to see Al getting ready to get back in the game. A bit too much time spent establishing and furthering a half-dozen new plotlines, some interesting (Bullock and his wife's relationship, the widow Garrett buying the hotel), some not so much so (the nanny putting in the fix on Garrett is sorta clunky; my girl thinks she's not all she seems to be as witnessed by how easily she put back that "first drink" of whiskey).
Still. Good stuff.
"And what are YOU lookin' at?"
".... yooooouuurr TITTIEEEEES!"

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I mostly loved Al's big exhale at the end. Like, he's ready to come off the bench. And the scene where they were all hugging him after he passed his stones was sweet.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
i just watched the first season in a matter of four days.


- the second episode with kristen bell, aka veronica mars, was some of the most brutal shit i've seen anywhere, anytime. the payoff in the next episode (with joanie walking past the pigs and seeing the hat) was great.

- brad dourif was the best thing about the lord of the rings trilogy and he's up there with mcshane in this show.

- i like how timothy olyphant is our "hero", but is basically a fucked-up dude with a temper and a badge who happens to have more conscience than everyone around him.

- wild bill's "cunt" speech to jack mccall was perfect as both an insult and a moment of self-loathing.

- molly parker is wonderful, just barely keeping it all together even living in deadwood and i loved her moment when she watched her father beaten to a pulp (as bullock was defending her) and yet still told that whore at the bella union to look after him.

- paula malcomson as trixie has some great moments and that first setup of her character over the course of the first episode (killing a man who was hitting her, getting beaten by al, ready to kill him but in the end just giving him the gun) is really wonderful.

- the aforementioned veronica mars episode is awesome precisely because it really shifts the villain role from al swearengen to cy tolliver, which is sort of underlined by the final episode when tolliver tries to buy off a general to protect his interests while al is gently putting and end to the reverend's suffering.

- yeah and ian mcshane is doing something similar to what daniel day-lewis did in gangs of new york but he's more charismatic, deeper, smarter, and more complex. probably one of the best performances of any actor in any medium that i've ever seen.

- this is so much better than any series HBO has ever aired, and nothing else comes close with the possible exception of "band of brothers".

gear (gear), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Why are the season 2 DVDs taking eight forevers!?!?!

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Deadwood and the Wire are neck and neck for greatest HBO series.

Season 2 DVDs will most likely be out in May. They would have been out this month, to coincide with the new series starting in March, but unfortunately the series has been pushed back to June so HBO can use the Sopranos as a lead-in with Big Love.

Gukbe (lokar), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Just watched the first season and a half over the last 2 months. Obv this is the role of the lifetime for Ian McShane (tho I've never watched Lovejoy), but the production design and character actors (esp William Sanderson and Al's assorted underlings) are first-rate too. As for the language, you don't use historically accurate profanities bcz the audience won't receive them as such -- I do looove the ornate, flowery Victorian syntax almost everyone uses (Farnum to silliest excess). One of the funniest anachronisms after a murder: "He must be sleeping in."

When Altman dies, AO Scott in the NY Times called this an obvious desendant of McCabe and Mrs. Miller, only "pretentious and sentimental" by comparison -- and I agree while still liking the show a lot. I'd never listen to one of David Milch's commentaries all the way through, but I did hear him say he doesn't see Swearengen as "a villain, but one of God's fallen angels" (or somthin).

Sorry, but motherfucking Swearengen is a villain, Milch, you cocksucker. (Why I found the weepy bathos around Swearengen's kidney stones icky.)

I had better see some Bullock buttock before this show is over. (saw Timothy Olyphant do The Santaland Diaries off-Broadway years ago, he filled out candystripe tights verrry nicely.)

Dorrity's gay!

uh, did I fall asleep at some point?

And when are Season 3 DVDs out?


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, but motherfucking Swearengen is a villain, Milch, you cocksucker.

I don't think of him as a villain, especially compared to Wolcott or Tolliver or Hearst. By comparison, Al has a strong moral core that is compromised by his cruel business sense.

I like to think of Al as Batman to Bullock's Superman (in the Frank Miller sense).

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm really not buying the Wolcott/Hearst plot so far. W just dispatched the 3 prostitutes in my viewing -- Seems like arted-up sexploitation, which I hadn't found the series guilty of too often.

(I like my superheroes uncomplicated, hv never touched that Frank Miller stuff)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

...but Powers Boothe IS so nasty I'm thinking I should watch that Jim Jones TV film he did 25 years ago.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Season 3 takes television to new levels of obscure and oblique. Anyone who can understand half of the goings on of the election and the theater troupe in one viewing will be a better man than I.

Maybe it was the layoff between 2 & 3, but the voting stuff just confused the hell out of me.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 6 January 2007 07:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i actually couldn't get past the fourth episode of season three when it aired, i was so lost. I hoped to catch up with it on comcast on demand but hbo doesn't appear interested in making it available, fuckers

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 6 January 2007 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The bad part is that we only have two "specials" left to explain everything. Unlike history, which is much more repetitive than television.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 6 January 2007 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard that even the two movies are looking less likely to ever be made.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 6 January 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Season 3 made perfect sense to me although the theater troop is not really a direction I would have taken were I writing the show. They wrapped up the Hearst storyline a little too quick and neatly but given that i thought they handled it well.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 January 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I always supposed that the theater troupe was setup for something interesting and important later on. Something we will probably never get to see.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 6 January 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the theatre troupe was put there because a.) it was historically accurate and that plot would have led somewhere and b.) it would give Al something of a friend to talk to.

John from Cincinnati better be really fucking good.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Sunday, 7 January 2007 05:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyways.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link


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