Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

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I was replying to "Dare".

Marc, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

IF the author didn't mean anything with it then it doesn't have a meaning.

Marc, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i agree with sean. the album really grew on me aswell. but i wouldn't say album of the year at all either. "i am trying to break your heart" is an amazing tune, and i like "heavy metal drummer" because it reminds me of pavemant.

dyson, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was replying to "Dare".

So?? You didn't mean it, then?

Keiko, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I wrote "I was replying to Dare" I was replying to dave h(0wie) but yours came in the middle of it all. Ofcourse I mean it.

Indieholic Anonymous, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

''It didn't feel "experimental" before, but when I saw them perform "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" I saw Wilco experimenting.''

keiko- can i ask what were they doing? how were they experimenting?

julio Desouza, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha foiled by cookies

julio: it involved pipettes

Josh, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been thinking about the lame lyrics on YHF for a while, so I'll try to write something about them soon. just for you
I am still interested on your thoughts, Josh. But I still wouldn't dare to dsimiss the lyrics as I didn't get most of them yet. But the lines which made sense to me (see upthread) were rather brilliant. Check what Badger wrote about the album last year (including most lyrics). I can agree a lot to that. YHF is one of those few albums on which I can almost detect new sounds every new time I listen to it. And those often experimental sounds fit better and better into the context of the tunes after each subsequent listen. That is exactly what I look for in music.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry, here is the link to Badger's Handy (Mostly Cannibalized) Guide to Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry alex I was deterred by not being able to be scathing enough about it, I'll try harder.

Josh, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

''julio: it involved pipettes''

Josh, you have done something no one has managed: I'm now interested in Wilco (not really).

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Julio - It didn't really sound more "experimental" (except when they did the noise thing between songs), but watching them make those sounds with the precision and purpose that they did helped me realize why they were there. Before, I kind of assumed they were quirks of O'Rourke's production, studio flourishes, or, at the very most, pleasant background effects. For example, the last half of "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart", on the record, seems like a drone with odd noises thrown in. In a live setting it's more like a showcase for the chaotic percussion, noise samples, etc., things that now seem as important as the melody.

Keiko, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

six months pass...
Okay, here's where all of us who actually liked the Wilco album now get to gloat about it's high placement in the P&J poll.

OK, gloaters, start your engines...

*insert sound of crickets chirping*

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I may be the only sap in the universe who likes the Loose Fur rec - shld I bother w/ YHF on that basis (nb I have reservations about Tweedy's lyrics on the LF disc)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes please tell us why some of you enjoyed such thrash.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I haven't heard LF, so I really couldn't say how it compares to YHF. My opinion on YHF is that while it has some flaws (primarily Tweedy's affectless delivery), at it's best moments (basically everything from "Jesus Etc." through "I'm The Man Who Loves You"), it is actually a very good record, kind of like John Zorn's The Big Gundown crossed with Hotel California

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes please tell us why some of you enjoyed such thrash.

JEFF TWEEDY SPEED METAL! Best typo ever, Julio!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm surprised that a good amount of this thread was fairly positive.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

I'm guessing the reaction to A Ghost Is Born will be more divisive. It doesn't sound particularly good.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

I'm anxious to hear it, even though I burned out on YHF within a matter of months. Every mofo I try to download it from (with a good transfer speed) signs off before I'm even half way done.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 22 March 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

A Ghost Is Born sounds even better to me.

Andy Jay, Monday, 22 March 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Haha I *just* heard this record! I really like it a whole lot.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 7 November 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

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Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's pretty good. It starts a bit meh, gets really good and then peters out towards the end. The middle three songs, "Jesus etc", "Ashes of American Flags" and "Heavy Metal Drummer" are great though.

NTI, Wilco aren't really very big in the UK.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

The first song is still the best thing they've done by a lunar eclipse.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Brits be onto sumfin...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to this album for the first in a while this past week. Must say that it has aged quite well (much better than Summer Teeth, which seemed trite and gimmicky the first time I heard it and still does) ... "Ashes of American Flags" is especially resonant.

Chris O., Monday, 7 November 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes. Summer Teeth has aged horribly for me, too. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and Being There are still there two best albums.

But their alltime best song will always be California Stars, off the Mermaid Avenue vol 1 Woody Guthrie cd.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 7 November 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Trite and gimmicky? Oh, you mean "fun"? Yeah, Summerteeth is a lot more fun.

I Agree About The Fun Part, Monday, 7 November 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

This album is still boring as shit.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Bro's before hoze, yo...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 November 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Summer Teeth has its moments. It's just kinda dopey ... I mean, one song sounds like an outtake from Chicago 12 or something.

Chris O., Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I went back and listened to this yesterday because it seemed like good music for being in a really shit mood to. The first song's great, the middle section (specifically between Jesus etc and Pot Kettle Black) is pretty fantastic, but the other songs are just kind of there. The dopiest songs on Summerteeth are the ones I think have aged the best (except She's A Jar, which is a bit timeless, maybe).

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The first song is still the best thing they've done by a lunar eclipse.

otm

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been a long time since I've seen such a discrepancy between greatness and mediocrity. "Jesus, Etc" is a classic, one of the most beautiful songs of the last 10 years, and like all classics, seems effortless. Then there's muddled nonsense like "Heavy Metal Bands" and "Ashes of American Flags" which inspire nothing but growls and the gnashing of teeth from yours truly.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I like "Heavy Metal Drummer", but it would be better if it didn't have that awful, tinny, hook-hiding production. Just do it as a proper pop song, you guys, like you did on the first three albums, idiots...

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"Heavy Metal Drummer" is the worst song on this album, and possibly the worst Wilco song. "Radio Cure" may be my favorite. And yes, "Jesus, etc" is one of the prettiest songs ever.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not going to argue about Wilco on the internet.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"Radio Cure" and "I'm Trying to..." be ownin'

Baaderonixx says DANCE!! TAKE A CHANCE!!! are you ready for... TRUE ROMANCE (baa, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Edward O has it right here ... while I would put this record on my top 5 for the decade, the bells and whistles and goofy unneeded touches (like the piano tinkle in Heavy Metal Drummer) keep it from being a towering masterpiece. The songs themselves are extraordinary.

Chris O., Wednesday, 9 November 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I really disliked this album for a long long time, and then just the other night I heard it in a bar and it started to grow on me.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Edward O has it right here ... while I would put this record on my top 5 for the decade, the bells and whistles and goofy unneeded touches (like the piano tinkle in Heavy Metal Drummer) keep it from being a towering masterpiece. The songs themselves are extraordinary.

OTM

There are only a few records I like better so far this decade.

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I didn't listen to this for a few years for some reason but pulled it out again yesterday and really loved it the way I did when I first heard it. I still think Summerteeth might have the edge but this is really fantastic and they haven't done anything since that touches it.

akm, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

and going back and listening to ghost is born and sky blue sky, I might have to say that jay bennet was more important to this band than they let on, because the albums since have been pretty flat; surprising considering the input nels cline and glen kotchke probably have. it's not just the lack of textures, but the songwriting has just lost something. bennet didn't get much credit for YHF (in fact until I saw 'i'm trying to break your heart' for some reason I was under the impression he quit before it was even finished) but I think maybe he deserves more of it than he gets.

akm, Thursday, 21 February 2008 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I like YHF a lot, but I like SBS almost as much (if not more). I don't really understand why the former is so lauded and the latter is, by comparison, at least, so pilloried.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 21 February 2008 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

is it pilloried? i thought people liked it. it's fine, it's pretty good, but I think YHF has an edge and more memorable sounding songs

akm, Thursday, 21 February 2008 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link

is it pilloried?

In some "hip" corners, yes. Then it turned up on a lot of Best of 2007 Lists, which led to a new round of dismissive "Dadrock!" comments.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 21 February 2008 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

The AAA station in Chicago did a live broadcast of Wilco's show the other night. During intermission, the DJs sounded like color commentary guys at halftime: "So far during this five-night stand, they've played "Impossible Germany" four times, "Poor Places" three times, which means you've gotta figure that one's gonna resurface later on tonight." "Did you notice Nels Cline's solo on that one? Hoo boy, that was masterful."

jaymc, Thursday, 21 February 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2008/10/wilco-save-your.html

Wilco: Save your money, don't buy our Blu-ray!

03:05 PM PT, Oct 29 2008

In this tough economic time, Chicago-centered rock band Wilco is looking out for you. For those die-hard Wilco completists out there, the band is trying to save you some money. Don't, says the band, buy a new Blu-ray edition of its 2002 documentary "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart."

At the end of an e-mail announcing tour dates as well as an appearance Thursday night on "The Colbert Report," the band had a "CONSUMER ALERT" (the caps, Pop & Hiss wants it known, are all Wilco). Reads the notice:

Without consulting us, the DVD company (not WB/Nonesuch) that released "I am trying to break your heart" is about to issue a Blu-Ray Edition which, no surprise, costs considerably more (nearly 2x) than the standard DVD. We're unsure as to the rationale for the release, given that the film was shot in beautiful grainy B&W and has a stereo-only audio track... there is, in our opinion, not much to be gained by spending the extra cash. It's your money... and in this case you should probably hang onto it.

On Amazon.com, the single-disc version of the film costs $17.99, the two-disc DVD set will run you $24.99, and the Blu-ray edition, which will be released Nov. 18, is selling at a pre-order price of $30.99. Or you can find the used copy of the VHS (VHS! Was 2002 really that long ago?) for about $12.

UPDATE: Plexifilm co-founder Gary Hustwit e-mailed in a response to Wilco's statement. He says that the Blu-ray carries a higher list price because it costs more to make, and that there are added licensing costs to manufacture discs in the format. Additionally, Hustwit says, the quality of the film is significantly greater in Blu-ray.

Wrote Hustwit, "If you've got a film that was shot on super-16mm, like the Wilco film, a high-definition transfer on Blu-ray disc is going to look better than a standard-definition transfer compressed to DVD. Watching the Blu-ray disc is the closest you can get to actually sitting in a theater and watching the original film.... But we want to release our films in the best available format, and Blu-ray is just better than DVD, period."

On a side note, Wilco's upcoming tour mate, Neil Young, seems to have a different view toward Blu-ray technology. At the end of January, Young will release "Archive," his 10-disc set of performances from 1963-72 in multiple formats, including Blu-ray.

"Blu-ray is the future," Young told Billboard. "It sounds the best; the navigating system is the best. I've made a lot of CDs and we've made a lot of DVDs, and Blu-ray technology is so far superior to anything else. The fact there aren't many players out there now doesn't meant that much to me, because it is the future, so I would rather focus on what's next. If you were to get a Blu-ray of the 'Archive,' you would get the best."

Sounds like some debate fodder for the tour bus.

Neil Young will be playing, sans Wilco, Thursday night at the Forum in Inglewood.

-- Todd Martens

Bee OK, Thursday, 30 October 2008 02:39 (fifteen years ago) link

It's kind of dull, isn't it? The songs aren't that good, and the production affects an illusion of progression that just isn't there. But then, I've never liked Wilco. But I seriously can't understand what everyone is raving about.
― Melissa W, Friday, March 22, 2002 1:00 AM (6 years ago)

Whoops.

Kevin Keller, Thursday, 30 October 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link


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