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You have to go stand out in a field and wait for this:

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MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, every year I unintentionally eat something I shouldn't. When we were kids, my mom said it was OK to eat Fruit Roll-Ups, because by her logic, "they're just fruit". Stuff like that.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

What's wrong with the Werther's? Is this a corn syrup issue?

quincie, Monday, 25 April 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, but it's also an issue of not eating things that are otherwise kosher or specifically labelled kosher for Passover (I tend to stick to the former).

My mom bought me a bunch of matzah bagels (the GOOD kind that taste not unlike actual bread). Fittingly, I forgot to bring them home with me. I also meant to take one of her boxes of matzah for making fried matzah one night, but I forgot that too (and I can't find any near where I live). Fortunately, I did bring home some chicken, gefilte fish, and a few sweets.

So essentially, this will be a no carbs week for me (potatoes excepted). Which is perhaps a good thing, because I've been overdoing it on the carbs over the last few months. Except this means I CAN'T GET FULL.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

This was the easiest Passover ever. I got by on omelettes, lots of fruit (even more than I usually eat), and meat + vegetables for dinner. I made cheese sandwiches on matzah bagels over the last couple of days. This has helped me confirm that I do in fact eat too many carbs. I'm so used to snacking on a muffin or a sandwich, but this week I hardly missed that stuff.

Did anyone on ILX keep Passover besides me?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I don't have any bread in the house (I normally shop at the bakery on Monday or Tuesday) so I'm back on the hametz wagon with a cold, savory beer. MMMMMMMMM.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i ate WAY too many macaroons this week

last night, my parents made pasta with dinner because "there's nothing about it in Leviticus"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i kept passover with the exception of an accidental bit of whiskey one night (while i was sick - for my throat!) but that hardly counts anyway.

also, i used the sephardic custom (im half israeli, so its ok too, hah) of rice/beans/corn being ok. except basically it just meant that i had like, soda and stuff with corn syrup in it. i never got around to having rice or beans. actually, it worked out really well. i made my matzo lasagne, that went over well, lots of fried matza, and tons of fruit. easiest year yet. still, saturday night i went out to get the now customary pizza.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Sephardic Jews have got it going on -- rice + corn, seven days instead of eight.

I did Sephardic Passover one year when I felt like going out for nachos one night.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 2 May 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I kept it! My wife tried, but forgot and had some croutons on her salad yesterday...

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 2 May 2005 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

the sephardic ways make so much more sense to me.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 May 2005 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Corn chips are probably not kosher for passover even Sephardic style, cuz dey's probly leavened.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I felt bad for my cousin's non-Jewish girlfriend this year who was probably thinking about how "authentic" the gefilte fish was as she forced herself to swallow it. I opted out of the authentic experience myself.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

this past week, i've eaten pita bread, naan, and injera. those all count as unleavened, right?

reno sweeney (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Rule #1 of Kosher: If you're not sure, don't ask.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Corn chips are leavened but potato chips (which can be kosher for Passover) aren't? Are corn chips always baked instead of fried?

These are somewhat rhetorical questions, since Hurting's Rule #1 applies.

I had gefilte fish with my lunch four times this week. How can anyone not like the stuff?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Corn chips are made out of corn tortilla, and corn tortilla is leavened (I think).

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

And I guess potato chips are just fried potato slices. No Baked Lays, I guess.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

gefilte fish reminds me of a mildewy sponge.

reno sweeney (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 2 May 2005 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
oh noes!

my aunt called tonight asking where everyone was as she had prepared her usual enough food for two dozen people meals

my mother: 'um, passover starts TOMORROW night"
aunt: ' oh"

she called her daughter-in-law and is told the same thing

so now who knows what's going on

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

This is going OK so far. I haven't done any of my own cooking for the last four days. There's no family left for me to visit so I have to start taking care of myself now. I'm gonna make a hugeass pot of chicken soup tomorrow and that should cover me for a few meals. I didn't end up with a stash of Passover sweets this year so I'll have to make do with fruit for dessert for the next few days.

Rather than bread, I think I'll end Passover with an assload of beer. That worked out really well last year.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 16 April 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I work at a seafood restaurant. Last night a Jewish couple came in an asked me if the crab cakes included bread as an ingredient because they couldn't eat leavened bread because they were staying kosher for passover.

Isn't this pretty inconsequential in light of crab being non-kosher?

Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 16 April 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I work at a seafood restaurant. Last night a Jewish couple came in an asked me if the crab cakes included bread as an ingredient because they couldn't eat leavened bread because they were staying kosher for passover.

Isn't this pretty inconsequential in light of crab being non-kosher?

WhiskeyBanjoFishbutt (Jeff), Sunday, 16 April 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

kosher for passover and kosher are two separate things.

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 16 April 2006 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Question

What food is not kosher for Passover and why?

Answer

The Torah instructs a Jew not to eat (or even possess) chometz all seven days of Passover (Exodus 13:3). "Chometz" is defined as any of the five grains (wheat, spelt, barley, oats, and rye) that came into contact with water for more than 18 minutes. This is a serious Torah prohibition, and for that reason we take extra protective measures on Passover to prevent any mistakes.

Which brings us to another category of food called "kitniyot" (sometimes referred to generically as "legumes"). This includes rice, corn, soy beans, string beans, peas, lentils, peanuts, mustard, sesame seeds and poppy seeds. Even though kitniyot cannot technically become chometz, Ashkenazi Jews do not eat them on Passover. Why?

The Smak (Rabbi Moshe of Kouchi, 13th century, France) explains that products of kitniyot appear like chometz products. For example, it can be hard to distinguish between rice flour (kitniyot) and wheat flour (chometz). Therefore, to prevent confusion, all kitniyot was prohibited.

The Beit Yosef (Rabbi Yosef Karo, 16th century, Israel) notes that grains may become mixed together with kitniyot, and one may inadvertently come to eat actual chometz.

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In Jewish law, there is one important distinction between chometz and kitniyot. During Passover, it is forbidden to even have chometz in one's possession (hence the custom of "selling chometz"). Whereas it is permitted to own kitniyot during Passover and even to use it - not for eating - but for things like baby powder which contains cornstarch. Similarly, someone who is sick is allowed to take medicine containing kitniyot.

Interestingly, the Sefardi Jewish community does not have a prohibition against kitniyot. This creates the strange situation, for example, where a Sefardi family could be eating rice on Passover - whereas their Ashkenazi neighbors will not!

* * *

What about derivatives of kitniyot - e.g. corn oil, peanut oil, etc? This is a difference of opinion. Many will use kitniyot- based oils on Passover, while others are strict and only use olive or walnut oil.

Finally, there is one product called "quinoa" (pronounced "ken- wah" or "kin-o-ah") that is permitted on Passover even for Ashkenazim. Although it resembles a grain, it is technically a grass, and was never included in the prohibition against kitniyot. It is prepared like rice and has a very high protein content. (It's excellent in "chollent" stew!) You should be able to find it at most health food stores. Of course, it needs to be from a closed container that is new for Pesach.

Some other things - like chestnuts and alfalfa sprouts were not included in the original prohibition of Kitniot.

To learn more, see Maimonides - Laws of Chometz and Matzah 5:1; Code of Jewish Law - OC 453; Igros Moshe OC 3:63.

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 16 April 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

kosher for passover and kosher are two separate things.

I didn't realize that. But if you're eating unkosher food that prepared kosher for passover aren't you still doing wrong?

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot (unclejessjess), Monday, 17 April 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right, it's a bit nonsensical. Over the weekend, I was at a family dinner (a mix of Jews and non-Jews) and there was a shrimp platter. Normally, I would eat shrimp but on this occasion I didn't because it's Passover. Depending on how you want to look at, this makes perfect sense or absolutely no sense.

Yes, I followed the rules of Passover (no shrimp during Passover, or any other time of the year for that matter) but I wasn't consistent with my usual habits (I like shrimp). If the shrimp had been breaded, it would have been a different story. OTOH, I don't buy kosher meat so you could argue that the chicken I ate tonight is just as unkosher as the shrimp I passed up over the weekend.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 17 April 2006 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't realize that. But if you're eating unkosher food that prepared kosher for passover aren't you still doing wrong?

most jews in america don't keep kosher. but passover is a religious holiday and a lot of jewish people want to do something ceremonial to keep those ties to their roots. so they do the "kosher for passover" thing and fast on yom kippur and go on with their lives. i don't think it's particularly hypocritical. it's about having a couple of days out of the year where you recognize those old-world traditions.

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:16 (eighteen years ago) link

really, we're not like catholics. we don't believe we're gonna get sent to hell if we don't kosher up for the holidays. ;-)

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

you talk about jews and americans

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

and food

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

RJG otm haha

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 17 April 2006 10:48 (eighteen years ago) link

omg jbr talking about jewish-americans on a thread about passover TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

rgj, what do you talk about, besides your disapproval of other people?

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that that is a bit of a silly question

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

you're so "edgy"

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

no need for personal attacks

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

haha

the enduring pueblo (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

COMMAS, PEOPLE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

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gabbneb, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

it really is worth it to get the genuine huggable matzah ball. the knock-off ones give you a rash

burt_stanton, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I always eat way too many macaroons. Favorite are Manichevitz chocolate chip.

I love the Hillel sandwich why because it tastes intersting.

I try to do the unleavened kosher for Passover but usually some Gentile will trick me into eating cake on the last day, arguing with me over when the holiday ends.

what's passover like round your way?

Sometimes (including this year) I visit my parents. We invite the widow over, eat lamb and boiled egg and parsley and matzo ball soup. Then we play bridge, while the dog jumps on the table and eats a golf-ball shaped hole in the honey cake.

I like the idea of the stupid son.

felicity, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:19 (sixteen years ago) link

it only occurred to me now that the reason the GHMB looked just a bit small for hugging (lol, matzoh ball is hueg) was because it might not be meant for adults. i have to see my sister's plague kit.

i was holding onto the possibility that my mom had invented 'hillel sandwich', but i'm glad it's found elsewhere as well.

my parents are abandoning me for grandma, tho i may join them if i can and the crowd isn't too large already. i might end up leading a seder - lol?

gabbneb, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

oh yeah, the hillel sandwich is in the hagaddah isn't it

happy pesach!

gabbneb, Sunday, 20 April 2008 03:34 (fifteen years ago) link

wtf with bay area "matzah shortage"?! By Saturday night, every single grocery store in town was completely out of matzah and matzo meal.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 21 April 2008 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Matzah blows. Sorry.

-- Hurting (Hurting), Friday, April 22, 2005 11:29 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION.

We didn't do Passover this year, as my Grandparents, who usually host, are on the other side of the country. Usually it's the seder with the reading and the singing and the wine and the plagues and the haroset and the bitter herbs and the matzoh ball soup and family arguments.

ian, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Plagues are A++++ would visit them on Egypt again.

felicity, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 06:24 (fifteen years ago) link


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