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Did you know that Marty is a big fan of German band Neu! ?

He was the first place I had ever heard of Neu! I think. Although I can't really claim I'm a huge fan of theirs I can see how they were trailblazing for the likes of Stereolab.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

It was also due to the Church that I discovered the best of Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel - a very unknown band in America, for sure. It's strange to owe a band for introducing you to another band. It is for me at least.

But I digress...anyway if you check out these albums Dr. C please give us your assessment of them, eh? I must admit an innate prejudice against Starfish a bit, simply because it is so much older than their other best records...maybe I've worn it out over the years. But it's hard for me to see a song like "Blood Money" as appealing to anything but the more stubborn Church fan. I mean, I personally enjoyed the song a great deal long ago, but would a casual Church fan? I wonder. Anyway, I haven't listened to Starfish in its entirety in many many years. I'd guess 1993 at best. Yeah, it's worn out for me in a lot of ways, just simply played it too many times. I'd rather hear Gold Afternoon Fix actually. But maybe it's just comparing two very different times in my life. When Starfish came out, I really loved it, but the Church were not my favourite band, and there was an awful lot of other quite different things going on in the (mostly Brit) indie world when that came out. On the other hand, by the time of Gold Afternoon Fix's release, I was a fanatic and the Church were my whole world. Even though GAF on its own is not by any means their best album.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember going to a solo Kilbey gig just after the release of Gold Afternoon Fix. And I'd gone backstage afterwards cause I had questions for him that needed answering. And I remember him just being so pissed off when some lady that was interviewing him before me had insinuated that GAF was the best thing they'd ever done. He really became quite infuriated about that all of a sudden. He was so mad at the record company. And one of my questions had been about a stray moment in the studio that appears somewhere in their compilation of videos where just for a moment he's shown in this studio momentarily singing some unreleased song and the sound is really rough. I asked him what was this song, would we ever get to hear it in its entirety? He told me the record company wouldn't let them release this song, and this seemed to both further infuriate him at the record company but also soothe him, for what I was saying was better than the woman who had the gall to tell him GAF was their best work so far, etc.

ANYWAY the moral of the story was that the unreleased song ended up appearing finally on the Sometime Anywhere CD when it arrived. Which was great except...even though I faithfully keep Sometime Anywhere in my collection, I've never found the will to re-investigate that very awkward time in the Church's history. I know there a few gems of songs there, but overall, quite a clunker I think, a glaring embarassment in their oeuvure.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I sure did mispell it. You bet. OEUVRE. Who gives a shit? I'm not a professional music writer and I don't pretend to be. I don't even know why I thought of that word.

I just love talking about Church albums.
Next up can we mention the Blurred Crusade? PLEEZ?

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Starfish was my real introduction to the band, although I distinctly remember having seen videos for "The Unguarded Moment" and "Constant in Opal" prior to hearing it. But it just came along at the right time in my life. I was beginning to learn the guitar and it offered an alternative to all the hair metal stuff I'd been trying to play before, and through trying to figure out those songs myself (cos you know damn well the tablature magazines weren't covering anything that didn't come with hairspray and spandex), I really fell in love with a whole new kind of music. Now I know the album backwards and forwards, every detail and I actually anticipate certain parts of certain songs when it's playing. I wasn't exaggerating above when I said it was one of my favorite albums ever by anyone. Next to things like Disintegration, The Joshua Tree and Music For the Masses, its importance in what I listen to and even how I approach music today could never be understated.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 11 November 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
So did that apparently amazing set Elvis T. mentioned on the sandbox start circulating? I NEED THAT.

Also, am finally listening to Kilbey's Remindlessness. Interesting in that you can hear some of the initial stabs at where he and the band would go in future years.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I pulled out my Hawkwind compilation tonight and went hog wild over it all over again. To think I almost sold it! Then I started trying to sell Hawkwind on my unsuspecting friend who only knows (and likes) the Church. "Silver Machine" man, I'm telling you:

TURN ON TUNE IN DROP OUT

Also: Remindlessness: I have not listened to that in nearly a billion years. Anyone remember his single called "Fireman" circa The Slow Crack or whatever that other album was called? Every time I see the Fireman buttons in the elevator at my building at work I think of that song! :)

But yes, Ned. With a few more drinks I daresay pulling out Remindlessness is well in order and very possible in just a few moments here. Cheers.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I'm playing the Slow Crack right now. Will put on Remindlessness after Fireman which is the second song. When this album came out I was desperately trying to hold on to cassettes in order to rebel against the loss of vinyl in the marketplace to CD's. I was a cassette rebel. Not for too long, but I was. I mean if you watched the vinyl section shrink in your record store you would too.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link

We've got to find that gig, Ned. The one where they covered so much Hawkwind. We've got to have it. Damn the sandbox. Damn it all.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay confession: they only did 3 Hawkwind covers I think. But we all know that's still two more than they have done on properly released CD's.

Also I wonder if everyone knows that Steve Kilbey's best album is actually...Unearthed? Or was it Earthed? I get them mixed up. The one with "Judgement Day" on it. I think it was Unearthed.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Also do you know how hard it was to get Remindlessness for a time? I saw that thing in Belgium in 1991 and passed on it and regretted it for years before I saw it again.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

*Remindless on now*

And you know, even though at heart I'm a Church whore, sometimes I feel like I'm not ENOUGH of one you know what I mean? I know there are bigger Church fans than me, but I did fucking put my cents in, and it ought to count for something.

Also I would like to say I'm happy and proud to have found only a year and a half ago the vinyl of Marty Willson-Piper's In Reflection. That fucking thing was IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND back in the day. And one day record shopping with a friend, that thing was mine. Lovely!! Does anyone even have that on CD? Does it exist as such? Hell, maybe it does. But I got a big fucking booklet with it so there. Hahahah.

I like this song on Remindlessness called "The Amphibian". Oh yeah I remember this one. Wow. This is fantastic.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope I'm wrong. It's called "Life's Little Luxuries". It's hard to read with all the deep dark sky behind the words.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Been curious about the Church, ever since I heard they've done a soundtrack for Jeff Vandermeer's cult fantasy novel "Shriek - an afterword". (Sort of thing Hawkwind might have done, come to think of it.)

Any opinions on this, or how it relates to the rest of their work?

Soukesian (Soukesian), Sunday, 7 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Hasn't been released yet.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Its too late for me not to dig up this thread. Because I love all you Churchy types.

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, man. I played Priest = Aura again tonight while at work and it's still just as gorgeous as I remember.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Copying and pasting from the sandbox because it deserves to be posted here...

Starting yet another thread on The Church because of this: the setlist for last night's "Christmas" show in Sydney...
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Careful With That Axe Eugene
Cortez The Killer
Master Of The Universe
Magician Among The Spirits
Lord Of Light
Child In Time
Shouldn't Do That
Tantalized
Down Thru The Night
Ritz
Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun
Seven By Seven
Block

Silver Machine
Day 5
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The show was described as "LOUD," "monotonous," "unfamiliar," and "some guy with a radio set making noises like he's attempting to get reception" with a chunk of the audience apparently fleeing the hall.

This is like my greatest dream concert ever. The fact that it's one of my favorite bands doing this 25 years into their career makes it even better. Apparently it was recorded, so I hope that some/all of this makes it out.

-- Elvis Telecom (quartzcit...), December 26th, 2006.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Currently listening to El Momento Siguiente which is more of the rejiggering/revisiting that they did with the first El Momento... album. Track listing:

1. Wide Open Road
2. It's No Reason
3. Reptile
4. Tantalized
5. Electric Lash
6. After Everything
7. Song In The Afternoon
8. Two Places At Once
9. Appalatia
10. Bordello
11. Pure Chance
12. Grind
13. North South East West
14. Comeuppance

So far it's not quite as striking as the first one ("Two Places At Once" isn't altered that much from the original), but I love the sitar-drenched droneout on "Tantalized" and the reworking of "Electric Lash" into a Parsons-esque desert country song.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Forgot to mention, the Triffids cover is GRATE

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Copying and pasting from the sandbox because it deserves to be posted here...

Has it leaked anywhere?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Not yet damnit!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I jumped off the Church bandwagon after _Starfish_, too, and agree that everything up until then is mostly great. I've always known that their subsequent work was full of gems but never investigated. Here's a rough attempt at a post-Starfish best-of based on Allmusic picks, tracks that appeared on best-of's and tracks mentioned in this thread. Comments, additions, deletions?

Gold Afternoon Fix:
Metropolis
Russian Autumn Heart
You're Still Beautiful
Terra Nova Cain
Monday Morning

Priest=Aura:
Aura
Ripple
The Disillusionist
Feel
Lustre

Sometime Anywhere: (lots of disagreement about the best of this one!)
Lost My Touch
Angelica
Fly Home
Two Places At Once
Business Woman
Loveblind
Authority
Day Of The Dead

Magician Among The Spirits:
Come Down
It Could Be Anyone
Magician Among The Spirits
Welcome
Lady Boy

Hologram Of Baal:
Ricochet
No Certainty Attached
Another Earth
Louisiana

After Everything Now This:
The Awful Ache
Chromium
Night Friends
Numbers

Parallel Universe: no picks

Forget Yourself: no picks

Uninvited Like The Clouds:
Block
Easy
Day 5

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Forget Yourself: no picks

There is something incredibly wrong with that. Add "Sealine" and "The Theatre And Its Double"

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for those recommendations. I should've written "no picks from sources consulted", not because there was nothing to pick.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

[i] Child In Time [i]

I really would like to hear it!

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Enjoying El Momento Siguiente here -- really like the reworking of "Reptile." It occurs to me that if they did a third one of these (and I see no reason why not so long as it keeps with their generally healthy and hyperactive release schedule these days) then a complete reworking of Priest = Aura, which hasn't been touched yet, would be mindblowing.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Lordy, lordy. *Takes Deep Breath* That is a very intense concept.

There's only one track I really like on Forget Yourself, "Lay Low" I think. But I also seem to recall a good Koppes track on that, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me.

I recently read on another website that Marty Wilson Piper has a song called "Forget The Radio" that mentions Robert Wyatt and Andy Partridge. Cue requisite guilt for not having followed his solo career since um...that last album from a long time ago the name of which escapes me...

Bimble, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually I'm new to this Church thing called El Momento Siguiente - but I did order it and I'm hearing one song now called "All I Know" and it sounds fookin' great.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what album is amazing? magician among the spirits, the original with the cockney rebels cover. it's like their response to jehovahkill, it's fantastic.

f. hazel, Sunday, 18 March 2007 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I've actually finally gone and done it. I've pulled out Sometime Anywhere. I don't know how I found the will to finally do this. But I still say it's a difficult album, and I'd just rather skip to "Business Woman". You can rag on the lyrics all you like, it's still a better tune than anything on the album up until that point. I will continue to try to find more worth in this thing just for the hell of it, but man. If that album isn't THE most difficult Church thing I don't know what is.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait! "Authority" is also very good...definitely a fave off this one.

Bimble, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I recently read on another website that Marty Wilson Piper has a song called "Forget The Radio" that mentions Robert Wyatt and Andy Partridge. Cue requisite guilt for not having followed his solo career since um...that last album from a long time ago the name of which escapes me...


That would be Hanging Out In Heaven

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yet ANOTHER album worth seeking out is the Isidore album with Kilbey and Jeffrey Cain from Remy Zero (I know I know, just ignore that part). It reminds me of some of the tracks from The Slow Crack and the Re-Formation.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

If that album isn't THE most difficult Church thing I don't know what is.


The reworked version of "Day Of The Dead" that they were playing live in the late-90s is pretty spectacular. If they do a reverse-version of the El Momento albums with the moody stuff retooled into full-out electric band versions...

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I've actually finally gone and done it. I've pulled out Sometime Anywhere. [...] But I still say it's a difficult album, and I'd just rather skip to "Business Woman". [...]"Authority" is also very good

"Business Woman" and "Authority" weren't supposed to be on Sometime Anywhere! Those spots in the running order were originally "Cut In Two" and "The Time Being" but the record company fiddled with it. They're still great songs, I especially love "Authority".

I think the strongest period for The Church was between Priest=Aura and Hologram of Baal, with Sometime Anywhere/Somewhere Else being their very best.

f. hazel, Monday, 19 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the original with the cockney rebels cover

Of course you mean the Cockney Rebel cover. And I credit the Church with being at least 50% responsible for getting me into Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel later that year. I really owe them a lot for that. I remember willingly driving 2 hours to go buy the first couple of Steve Harley albums on vinyl. There was literally no other alternative in those days.

Bimble, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Also remember their drummer still plays with Kate Bush.

Bimble, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

heh, i keep thinking of the cockney rejects whenever i try and say cockney rebel!

f. hazel, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Then there is Mimesis.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Holy toledo of god, I think this El Momento Descuidado thing has really flipped my lid. When they do these old songs like Unguarded Moment I can't figure out if they're being flippant and playing a hilarious joke on me or if they're deadly serious. And what are these other songs I don't recognize, like "0408" and "November"?

I'm also realizing this isn't the same album Ned was talking about. Descuidado is not the same as Siguiente. And there's no Reptile on here, either. SIGH. I feel so far behind...

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"Constant in Opal" has been one of my no.1 jams this past week.

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"A New Season" ARRRRGGGH!!! That is one of my FAVE KOPPES TUNES! YES!

Okay hell with Amazon. I'm going to the shop tomorrow in search of this Siguiente thing.

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

el momento siguiente has only been out since january... you're not that far behind! i'm still on hologram of baal!

it's like the church is a video game.

f. hazel, Sunday, 25 March 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahahah...well you see my excuse is that After Everything Now This or whatever it was called was so disappointing that I couldn't have given a rat's ass about them for at least a few years had passed. Anyway it doesn't matter now because this shit is even better than whatever the name of that thing was that they released in 2006. Which is saying a lot.

I have officially reunited with a long time favourite band after 9 years and I am HAPPY!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) Let the angels play their harps! Heaven can't be far from here!

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, where's Tim Finney, damnit? Isn't that his name? You know the Tim I mean, where is he?

Bimble, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, the version of Reptile on Siguiente kicks arse. ooooh YEAH.

I think Tom Waits could take some pointers from that. Unbelievable.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

And what is this version of Tantalized?? It's like they decided to do Tomorrow Never Knows, sortof. I am floored. I have been floored.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I highly recommend eating curry while listening to that.

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And what is this "Song In The Afternoon"? God have they sounded that good? In the last ten years? Really? WHEN?

Bimble, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link


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