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Yeah, despite his trance associations, Sasha is actually v. good. I especially like the first disc of Northern Exposure: Expeditions (the green one with the knot). There are a couple of early 90s tracks that deserve a seek: BMEX - "Feel the Drop" and Hysterix - "Talk to Me" (Sasha's Full Master mix).

Also, I was just listening to the Isolee album again and realized that I like it a little more than the more recent micro/glitch/whatever house (nuprog?). The textures seem much warmer. I'd really like to hear him remix "Tied to the 80s".

Spencer Chow, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jess, I liked what you wrote but I wonder if MRI's new album is where it begins to fall down (I spy with my little eye retro-Salsoul orchestration (sorta), “big room” rush effects, relentless builds).

I use the term 'microhouse' but I don't really believe in it. About the only music I'd say it fits perfectly is stuff on Perlon and Luomo's album - the idea of house under the microhouse, with all it's invisible particles suddenly transforming into a riot of activity. For me what the broader 'microhouse' scene signifies is a significant but impossibly broad rejuvenation/refashioning of house as a whole, fundamentally changing the ratio of ingredients that have traditionally made up house.

I remember Andy saying when he wrote about Kompakt that if house took the pop out of disco to make it more relentlessly- dancefloor based, Kompakt tried to resurrect the discards. I don't think this can be the basis for a definition of microhouse vis a vis house (there's lots of thoroughly minimal microhouse and utterly poptastic house) but I think it's that dialectic - dancing vs other (eg. pop) - that microhouse explores... how many uses can house serve that are not *just* (but may include) dancing? As such it's not intelligent-house or prog-house but outsider-house, whose range is much less confined than the former two because it doesn't limit its experiments to the "experimental" - it embraces the popular too.

Where do pop-microhouse and pop-house differ? I think that with pop-house you tend to get a comfortable covalent relationship with the song and the house groove - the "top" and the "bottom" of the song are left relatively undisturbed so that they can just do their thing (often brilliantly). With (the best) pop- microhouse things are much more mixed up. On something like Closer Musik's "You Don't Know Me" the groove is the pop song and vice versa. This is why some of it resembles the electro- house craze, because the latter does the same thing pretty much, only with a much narrower and more specific historical and sonic basis.

What makes MRI's new album such a headscratcher is that much of it comes closer to openly courting the original and unproblematic dancefloor-basis of house... it's harder to see where it's mixing up the ingredients. And that's where it starts to approach Sasha-material, for Sasha's materials are always expertly measured and applied from a dancefloor perspective. But maybe the difference is that MRI don't take a dancefloor- focus for granted, and their investigations in that direction sound deliberate rather than interpellated.

Tim, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Should be: "...the idea of house under the microscope..."

Ronan, Herbert is sort of microhouse so if you've heard him that's one example, but it would be misleading to assume that most of it sounds anything like that.

Historically it's based in a scene within Cologne, Germany, pretty much kick-started by Wolfgang Voigt (Gas, Mike Ink, Studio 1 etc.). His stuff from the mid-to-late nineties - sorta Basic Channel/Chain Reaction style abstract house thump - perhaps set the outer-limit in terms of how bare/empty house could be. What's happened since is a colonisation of the space that left, with an exploration of all the other things house could be, though a fair amount of it still sounds like Voigt. A lot of the labels are still based in Cologne (Kompakt, Perlon, Ware, Playhouse maybe) but the scene has obviously spread a lot, though I would still characterise it as largely very German.

Jess (and before him Sheburne) correctly identify the multiplicity of sources that feed into the music. The trackiness of Relief-style Chicago house *is* a big source I'd say because it's the main prior example of house that is very abstract but sacrifices none of its "house"-character (the rhythms still swing sultrily - in general it's still sexy - cf. most "big room" prog). There's also a big IDM influence though, not least because a lot of the practitioners (eg. some Jan Jelinik, Vladislav Delay as Luomo) are IDM-artists themselves. So there's also a strong influence from glitch/clicks & cuts, and in fact if you pick up Clicks & Cuts 2 you might notice that a good proportion of it is microhouse (it should be noted that Force Inc. set up the Force Tracks label to specifically deal with this link, though they call it "click-house"). And then there's the fascination with pop songs.

It's that proliferation of sources that distinguishes microhouse from Mr. C-style tech-house, which is a pretty straight combination of normal house with Detroit techno. But some "microhouse" sounds very very close to "tech-house" (Sascha Funke's "Drei Auf Drei", for example).

Some big-names: Herbert; Isolee (maker of monsta-hit "Beau Mot Plage"); Luomo; MRI; Pantytec; Michael Mayer; Matthias Schaffhauser; Hakan Lidbo; The Modernist.

Hope that helped.

Tim, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

What makes MRI's new album such a headscratcher is that much of it comes closer to openly courting the original and unproblematic dancefloor-basis of house... it's harder to see where it's mixing up the ingredients.

oh, i think they're there...it's just that they're hovering in this bizarre middleground where it's reaching for this discoball grandeur yet retains all the little pop, chortles, clicks and whirrs, not to mention the clipped percussion. (crafted from all those microscopic samples...something which can't be said for sasha style house is that the sampler is microhouse's secret weapon...no matter how "big" it gets these guys are masters of micro-managment.) the interesting thing - or hopefully the interesting thing - will be seeing how the programming advances of the last four-six years are integrated into an environment which could very easily trample the details into submission. (the voice samples on the first mri track, for instance, sound sliced from a masters at work track with a razor then sent spinning, stuttering and shuddering through a chain reaction echo chamber.) i can't imagine dancing to much of superlongevity for instance.

and of course, ha ha tim, you haven't read the entire piece [because it sits unfinished in bits and pieces around my notebooks], but the mri "section" [now verging on 5 paragraphs...it needs trimming] does deal with the "breakdown" of the microhouse paradigm vis a vis "the big room sound." it's helpful to remember that cologne's techno scene is ostensibly the birthplace of this sound, and if we look back to the early "scene" [trans atlantic, stucture, even profan and studio one], it was quite unashamedly dancefloor based...yet the draw of the "experiment" was too strong to ignore [cf. basic channel for the most obvious example of something similar going on in berlin at roughly the same time.] i think it's forgotten because so much of that stuff owed more to techno than house...microhouse owes as much to jeff mills as marshall jefferson.

i like the phrase: i use the term microhouse but don't really believe in it. i suppose i don't either, because most of the above (and every word i seem to write about the "genre") seems a rather desperate effort to throw a net around an impossible large, wriggling, hydra-headed mutant genre. it's as if all the (non london rave/pirate radio) best parts of techno/experimental electronica/neo- dub have coalesced around this All Holy house beat. kompakt came (ostensibly) out of cologne acid; luomo came (ostensibly) out of chain reaction; daniel bell, richie hawtin and others have come out of detroit; artists like jan jelinek can float between ~scape and klang elektronik. it's a helluva time to be a dance music fan, really.

jess, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

we need to stop posting at the exact same time, tim. ;)

jess, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

that should be: it's as if all the best (non london-rave/pirate- radio) parts of dance music - techno/experimental electronica/neo- dub - of the last five to eight years have coalesced around this All Holy house beat.

jess, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh, i think they're there...it's just that they're hovering in this bizarre middleground where it's reaching for this discoball grandeur yet retains all the little pop, chortles, clicks and whirrs, not to mention the clipped percussion.

I agree - hence "harder to see" rather than "missing". I certainly don't think it is in any way a bad thing; the dancefloor tracks tend to be my favourites, and furthermore I'd hate to try to enforce some division between dancefloor and non-dancefloor, as if microhouse is too good to shake yer booty to (more booty- shakin' please!)

the interesting thing - or hopefully the interesting thing - will be seeing how the programming advances of the last four-six years are integrated into an environment which could very easily trample the details into submission.

You may be slightly under-estimating (or I might be over- estimating) the ability to perceive detail (and the potential delicacy of detail) on the dancefloor. Even without drugs most of my really emotional experiences on the dancefloor have been caused by the sudden sensation of a hundred doors opening as I begin to suddenly discern the brilliance of the interlocking minute particles that make up the music.

Tim, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

you forget tim that i'm an old man who hasn't been on a dancefloor in two years and who's ears are going. it's all perspectival trickery, anyway.

it's interesting to track the press mentions of this "sound" as it developed. the january 2000 issue of the wire has an interview with matt herbert and rob young's epochal (for me anyway) "glitch" essay. in the herbert article (by kodwo eshun) there's repeated mention of "minimal" and "minutae" but no neologisms as such. in the glitch essay however, young uses both the phrase "crack house" to describe artists like theo parrish, jurgen paape, and cristian vogel (super_collider is definitely a missing link in the m-house lineage), as well as "microfunk" to talk about snd, autechre, and monolake. (but then he goes on to talk about some banal kim cascone deal with music that probably was never there to begin with.)

i can tell i'm obsessed with this "genre" because i'm hearing it everywhere: today in the car i was listening to the "live" version of "sex machine" from james brown's album of the same name. there's a point somewhere in the middle where the band drops out but the groove keeps going, augmented by an occasional scratch of guitar and of course jb's vocal yelps which could easily be glitched up samples. it's 2 minutes that's so klang/perlon/kompakt it's scary.

jess, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jess, I know what you mean. I was listening to "I Can't Go For That" by Hall and Oates, and I swear to God almighty that the first 30 seconds or so, before the vocals come in, is IMPECCABLE microhouse. I'm serious, please listen to this and tell me I'm lying.

Clarke B., Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

clarke, this better not be one of those, "i forgot the winky wink" moments before i go and download this.

jess, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clarke is slightly fibbing, but not totally.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Yeah, despite his trance associations, Sasha is actually v. good."
trance gets no respect. let's be honest, trance had it's moment, it was very good and effective and noone ever tried to make it into IDM or anything, it was always meant for the dancefloor as far as I can tell. Sasha was a great trance DJ, some of his mix CDs are very well put together (not strictly trance either). I though xpander was a bit dull tho. but that's probably cause i listened to it in my living room

g, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

... But Sasha wasn't ever *really* trance. Even Xpander, which was his big record for the return-of-trance era, was still just trancey prog-house (it's a fine distinction I'll grant you if you're not used to boxing genres by BPMs). That doesn't make him better at all - in fact if anything it almost inclines me to be more suspicious - but it makes his stuff more distinctive when casting a (slightly jaundiced) eye back upon the synthscapes of '99.

Jess I will respond to your wise comments when I get back from uni.

Tim, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

this may be the first time i've ever been called wise without the word "ass" attached to it. (or "acre," in rarer cases.)

(*unless of course tim is just channelling my grandmother, who wouldn't stoop to saying "ass" or "acre" and would merely say "don't be wise." to which we would sniggeringly thing, does that mean we can be stupid? did you know she once called filene's basement [us clothing store] felini's basement. i'd love to see what was in felini's basement. did i mention i'm also drunk. i love you all.)

jess, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Obv. what I meant to say was: "Jess I will respond to your wise- ass comments when I get back from uni."

The etomology game is a fun one, perhaps with this particular strand of music more than others due to the fact that microhouse represents an implosion rather than an explosion. Which is not to say its creative horizon has narrowed - quite the opposite - but rather that most of the artists involved have come from such different directions, and it's only been over quite some time that they've come to be considered as part of the one "scene". So what's been interesting is how the terms used have become progressively vaguer ("microhouse" being the epitome of this) as they've had to expand to cope with the incoming traffic.

I like "crack-house", but only if it's posited as being the end of a certain spectrum (Perlon?), the other end of which is "smack- house" (eg. the post-Basic Channel woozy stuff you get on Kompakt).

Tim, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
Okay Jess, so did you ever download that Hall and Oates track or what?

Clarke B., Monday, 4 November 2002 07:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Sasha is live in the mix on Radio 1 Now, 12 - 2am UK time

tune in via the web
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/

banging epic prog dance !!!!!!!!!!

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

clarke i never did, but i read in an old wire not too long ago that there was a micro-house 12" that re-did a hall & oates song (it was the one where the editors fired phil shereburne for saying "steppin out" was one of his favorite songs, the basrards)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

Sasha just dropped Ulrich Schnauss into the mix !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

he ought to play the new Kraftwerk track, its so him!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

you listening, steve !

fuck this track playing now is good ! it has weird spiral sounds and epic house trippy tip

what is it?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:00 (twenty years ago) link

and 'scorchio!' is still a great track in the 'LAAAAAAAAAAAARGE' sense of the word - with the 'late nite dub' also quite exquisite

the album 'airdrawn dagger' flits between leftfield/orbital and er, mike oldfield, but its generally okay (if it had come out a year or two earlier than it had it wouldve done better and been more popular)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

i was a big progressive house fan: the first wave 1992-1993-1994 [i.e before it blanded out into superclub boredom in the mid 90s], the music has not moved on much since then, but this mix tonite is dance-tastic

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

spot the donna summer sample in the track playing now

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

so this is Glastonbury, THIS year? what gives?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

is that: liners luvs terrace (spelling) track, now playing?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

ah ! it's Dave Gahan - Dirty Sticky Floor (remix) groovy !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

didnt hear it, only been listening for last 6/7 minutes tho

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

that sounds like Bjork? in the mix now !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

yeh, Sasha remix of 'Joga' i assume?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link

i bet Ronan is in the crowd, now

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

glasto crowd pleaser Nirvana smudged into the mix !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

now Underworld !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

Just found an incomplete tracklist:

01. Mathew Dekay - Beautiful Monday
02. ID
03. Ulrich Schnauss - ID
04. Panoptic - Surface
05. ID
06. Maurice & Noble – Hoochie Koochie Man
07. Amber - Anyway (Steve Porter Remix 2)
08. Timo Maas - Unite
09. ID
10. P.Diddy feat. Kelis - Lets Get Ill (Deep Dish Remix)
11. ID
12. Dave Gahan - Dirty Sticky Floors (Junkie Xl Dub)
13. Bjork - ID
14. ID
15. Junkie XL - Red Pill, Blue Pill (Main Mix)
16. Nirvana vs Adam Freeland - Smells Like Teen Sprit 2003
17. Sasha vs Underworld - Cowpander (Junkie XL Edit)

I'm listening to it right now, three minutes in - some of my favourite tracks of the moment to look forward to (Amber, Dave Gahan, Nirvana).

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 27 June 2003 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

The first 50 minutes are classic Sasha, ie massively boring, it's picking up after the Timo Maas track. And that Steve Porter mix of Amber he's spinning isn't quite as good as his other one.

And re: Airdrawndagger - judging from the shitload of great Junkie XL remixes/singles (the prog ones, not the big beat ones) in the last few months, I've come to the conclusion that mr. Tom Holkenberg was responsible for all the good stuff there (Cloud Cuckoo et al).

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 27 June 2003 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

My girlfriend's name is Sasha, and she's Classic.

Ian Johnson, Friday, 27 June 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
Parts of this thread are really, really good!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I doubt it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

haha this is the big sasha thread that turned into micrhouse 101!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

No, really!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

tim and i always seem to be fighting on ilm, but we wuv each other.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think this was the big fight thread! That was the tim and fiddo go head to head over the continued relevance of house thread.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 14 December 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

that's an ugly one.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 14 December 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

no harm, no foul, obv.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 14 December 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

(I keep misreading this thread title.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 14 December 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
Sasha - Involver

Xpander report Sasha will release an album: Involver as part of the Global Underground compilation series.

This is an album of exclusively recorded remixes/ recreations by Sasha from other artists [Felix Da Housecat, Ulrich Schnauss, Grand National etc] tracks.

Sasha - Involver tracklisting


01 GRAND NATIONAL - TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES
02 SHPONGLE - DORSET PERCEPTION
03 PETTER - THESE DAYS
04 UNKLE - WHAT ARE YOU TO ME?
05 THE YOUNGSTERS - SMILE
06 SPOOKY - BELONG
07 UNKLE - IN A STATE
08 LOSTEP - BURMA
09 FELIX DA HOUSECAT - WATCHING CARS GO BY
10 ULRICH SCHNAUSS - ON MY OWN


Xpander also have a new interview with Sasha

Billboard report this album will be released on June 22nd [in the US] by Global Underground.

In the UK, Sasha - Involver has a release date of June 14th.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i like that Spooky track

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Sasha is live from Glastonbury on Radio 1, NOW
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/glastonbury2004/schedule.shtml

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Accept no substitutes you heathens!

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 28 June 2004 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
i think i am ready to listen to xpander again

*i think*

yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.rogepost.com/dn/4ybu

PRKLTR (flezaffe), Saturday, 11 November 2006 09:20 (seventeen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

Found my 2 disc Northern Exposure: Expeditions in a box and drove around listening to it for a couple days. It’s good! It prompted me to buy his Global Underground 13: Ibiza mix when I spotted it for 3 bux the other day and it’s probably even better for being a bit less trancey.

I don’t know what he’s up to these days; his old chum Digweed put out a four hour album several years ago which was vv good. Both these guys are better than Oakenfold as far as the trance Mt Rushmore types go, I listened to Tranceport recently and the cheese factor was wild.

omar little, Friday, 17 March 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link

i still have a lot of time for his 2cd set of remixes/film soundtrack.

https://www.discogs.com/release/1307527-Sasha-The-emFire-Collection-Mixed-Unmixed-Remixed

mark e, Friday, 17 March 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

Didn’t know about this one, but the trance folks haven’t received much press post-GU glory days, they fell outta style twenty years ago. Tho I feel like there are so many artists inspired by that sound coming up now. The best of that bunch I’ve heard is Long Island Sound.

omar little, Sunday, 19 March 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link


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