― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Brooks also obviously cribbed it from a City Journal article from 2002
― zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link
but also you can't really judge a rappper by a few lyrics.
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
I mean, I can say that Ice-T made a song about killing cops, but that's definitely not the whole story when the song is a reaction against police brutality and the same guy currently plays a cop on a tv show.
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
What's going on in France right now has NOTHING to do with what Biggie, Tupac, or any other rapper has gone through, except that there is violence being perpetuated by brown people against the will of the government. Here, the violence was drugs and gang-related violence; there, the over-flow of tension and frustration due to race-based government policy and the inability to do anything else.
Brooks' writing is poor, his conclusions are founded on very little that is hard, relevant or up-to-date factually, and, based upon the Slate article, he didn't even do any of his own research.
Fuck that guy. And his spot in the NYTimes.
― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 11 November 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
I mean come on: david brooks + french gangsta rap = fun!
Right?
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
ihttp://gozips.uakron.edu/~fcs2/uwpposter.jpg
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
Sorry I am a french.
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Because those are exactly the sort of people you want to have an affirmative view of French rap. Honestly, who cares?
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link
I'd like to think you were right but I don't think you are.
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
It's like your uncle got tricked into being a drug mule. "They told me to stick it up my ass and get on the plane. Seemed like nice enough fellows."
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link
It's nice to have a framework for understanding these thorny social issues that confirms the innate superiority of American culture as well as the fact that the less fortunate have themselves to blame, and to have this framework neatly served up in a bundle of 1000 words or so, at which point we can shake our heads knowingly at the folly of the ivory-tower lefties who spend so much time thinking about these problems and end up with needlessly elaborate theories when the answer is so simple in Brooksworld.
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh, come on! Fairfield County's part of New York!
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
it lasted a little while, then evaporated.
xpost:
who remember all the fun bugfuck insane Election year Brooks columns about democrat blue-staters(or whatever) being elitists and not eating at Bennigans or Fuddruckers?
― kingfish cold slither (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah all Republicans are the same.
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― TRG (TRG), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link
(That's why he writes for the Times; seriously, he's just a Richard Roeper suburban media-dad kind of guy.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link
PARIS, Nov. 10 - Semou Diouf, holding a pipe in one hand and a cigarette in the other, stood amid the noisy games of checkers and cards in the dingy ground-floor common room of a crowded tenement building and pondered the question of why he feels French."
"I was born in Senegal when it was part of France," he said before putting the pipe in his mouth. "I speak French, my wife is French and I was educated in France." The problem, he added after pulling the pipe out of his mouth again, "is the French don't think I'm French."
That, in a nutshell, is what lies at the heart of the unrest that has swept France in the past two weeks: millions of French citizens, whether immigrants or the offspring of immigrants, feel rejected by traditional French society, which has resisted adjusting a vision of itself forged in fires of the French Revolution. The concept of French identity remains rooted deep in the country's centuries-old culture, and a significant portion of the population has yet to accept the increasingly multiethnic makeup of the nation. Put simply, being French, for many people, remains a baguette-and-beret affair."
Though many countries aspire to ensure equality among their citizens and fall short, the case is complicated in France by a secular ideal that refuses to recognize ethnic and religious differences in the public domain. All citizens are French, end of story, the government insists, a lofty position that, nonetheless, has allowed discrimination to thrive."
France's Constitution guarantees equality to all, but that has long been interpreted to mean that ethnic or religious differences are not the purview of the state. The result is that no one looks at such differences to track growing inequalities and so discrimination is easy to hide."
"People have it in their head that surveying by race or religion is bad, it's dirty, it's something reserved for Americans and that we shouldn't do it here," said Yazid Sabeg, the only prominent Frenchman of Arab descent at the head of a publicly listed French company. "But without statistics to look at, how can we measure the problem?"
Mr. Sabeg was born in Algeria when it was French territory and moved to France with his family as an infant. His father worked as a laborer and later a mechanic to put him through a Jesuit boarding school, and he went on to earn a Ph.D. at the Sorbonne.
He scoffs at the notion of a French identity based on what he believes is a fiction of equal rights and France's reluctance to engage in debate about the gap between ideals and reality. "France doesn't know how to manage diversity," he said. "It doesn't want to accept the consequences of a multiethnic society."
Like most French schoolchildren, he was taught that his ancestors were Gauls and that "in 732, Charles Martel, the Mayor of the Palace, repelled the Arabs in Poitiers."
French leaders admit failings but insist they are working to bring equality to all citizens and have embarked on an oblique public debate about what it means to be French. But that debate is still bounded by fidelity to ideals of the French Republic. President Jacques Chirac told reporters at Élysée Palace on Thursday that the government "hasn't been fast enough" in addressing the problems of discrimination, but that, "no matter what our origins, we are all children of the Republic."
Further to the political right, the debate has taken on another cast: the far-right National Front party released a computer-generated video on its Web site this week that showed Paris in flames. "Immigration, explosion in the suburbs ... Le Pen foretold it," the banner over the video reads, referring to the party's patriarch, Jean-Marie Le Pen."
The idea behind France's republican ideal was that by officially ignoring ethnic differences in favor of a transcendent French identity, the country would avoid the stratification of society that existed before the French Revolution or the fragmentation that it now sees in multicultural models like the United States. But the French model, never updated, has failed, critics say. "France always talks about avoiding ghettoization, but it has already happened," Mr. Sabeg said, adding that people are separated in the housing projects, in their schools and in their heads..."
What Makes Some People French?
― nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Anarchy in Paris!
― kingfish cold slither (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link
"You take a population of young men who are oppressed by racism and who face limited opportunities, and you present them with a culture that encourages them to become exactly the sort of people the bigots think they are...."
In other words, he's not really actually conservative, but rather an aging liberal who is now suspicious of some of the stuff he probably thought twenty or so years ago as a college student. This is why he always has that aw shucks look. He's like a dork yuppie version of Christopher Hitchens! So he's always (like Hitchens) kind of a little bit -- but only a little bit -- right. In this case, the image of David Brooks listening to French gangsta rap on his iPod while working out on the eliptical machine in full-body sweats with some college emblazoned on them is the main payoff, IMO.
― mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Curmudgeon: thanks a million for the kind words about my blog. (Nice to know someone's reading it.) I haven't published much on French rap, mostly because there's hasn't been much interest in the subject. But I'm a fan.
― Jody, Friday, 11 November 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost: really?? i feel like i heard it once and didn't like it, but maybe it was the third i heard
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005QSSH.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― nancyboy (nancyboy), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― David Brooks, aka the Notorious Brookzee (TRG), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― David Brooks, aka the Notorious Brookzee (TRG), Saturday, 12 November 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link
Thankfully that album isn't called David Brooks: A Better Tomorrow. Imagine how confusing that would get for NYTimes editorial readers!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
i... do not comprehend this thread entitled "David Brooks - GANGSTA!" that is not about mavado. what is happening here?
― r|t|c, Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:50 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^pretty much my thought process
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
the first album was gangsta 4 life: the symphony of david brooks though!
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavado_(singer)
lolz, vybz has been at the wiki edit i see
― r|t|c, Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
"the first album was gangsta 4 life: the symphony of david brooks though!"
Hah I forgot about the subtitle.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 January 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/opinion/brooks-the-psych-approach.html?hp
Finally, pop culture has been far out front of policy makers in showing how social dysfunction can ruin lives. You can turn on an episode of “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo,” about a train wreck working-class family. You can turn on “Alaska State Troopers” and see trailer parks filled with drugged-up basket cases. You can listen to rappers like Tyler, The Creator whose songs are angry howls from fatherless men.
would like to see a lab report from the research he's been doing
― j., Friday, 28 September 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
His bathroom?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
He's got his newspaper copy of the New York Times there. He's written about going to Europe to see Springsteen shows but I doubt he has even listened to Tyler on his laptop
― curmudgeon, Friday, 28 September 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
srsly can't post enough photos of Brooks lookin pedantic
http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/DavidBrooks.jpg
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 September 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
has obviously never watched an ep of honey boo boo before either
― flopson, Friday, 28 September 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/opinion/brooks-weed-been-there-done-that.html
― just sayin, Friday, 3 January 2014 09:31 (ten years ago) link
Turns out studies and findings all agree with him, imagine that.
― barranca jagger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 3 January 2014 09:59 (ten years ago) link
Paul Krugman is off today.
― barranca jagger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 3 January 2014 10:00 (ten years ago) link
"I stumbled through it, incapable of putting together simple phrases, feeling like a total loser." No doubt.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 January 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
writing process revealed
― bnw, Friday, 3 January 2014 13:47 (ten years ago) link
"I stumbled through it, incapable of putting together simple phrases, feeling like a total loser"
so he still smokes it then
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 January 2014 13:58 (ten years ago) link
I hope footage from that presentation leaks
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
"learning about drugs without facing criminal charges should remain an activity solely reserved for the rich"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 January 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
" Others fell deeply in love and got thrills from the enlargements of the heart."
lol
― andrew m., Friday, 3 January 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
My friend died from enlarged heart u asshole!
― andrew m., Friday, 3 January 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
The 1990s brought astonishing hip-hop — Tupac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Wu-Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest, the Fugees — and I got introduced to all of that like everybody else at the time. My hands were writing and editing conservative editorials for The Wall Street Journal; my ears were straight outta Compton.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link
Brooks otm
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link
I want to do an AI image rendition of "David Brooks being introduced to Wu-Tang Clan like everybody else at the time."
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link
It’s telling that he writes & edits with his “hands,” not his brain.
― "Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:21 (one year ago) link
Then there are the times that are just awkward — like the time at a Nas concert when a seven-foot-tall woman in a black bodice came up to me and asked, “What on earth are you doing here?”
haha
― jmm, Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:25 (one year ago) link
Possibly a true story
According to my cousin, @nytdavidbrooks is currently at the Nas/Lauryn Hill concert. I can't begin to process this.— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) November 5, 2012
― jmm, Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
xp that woman should be paid a good salary to just keep doing that wherever he goes.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 24 November 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
I asked, and it was her!
I just texted my cousin and…I think the answer is yes??? https://t.co/1qIj3Eu3oS— Hayes Brown (@HayesBrown) November 25, 2022
― jaymc, Friday, 25 November 2022 03:49 (one year ago) link
None of the rappers he mentioned were from Compton,
― curmudgeon, Friday, 25 November 2022 03:58 (one year ago) link
lol, thank you jaymc. I had a feeling...
― jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:18 (one year ago) link
How did you find that old HB tweet?
― jaymc, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:31 (one year ago) link
I googled "david brooks nas concert" and that tweet was the second result
― jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:35 (one year ago) link
Nice
― jaymc, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:36 (one year ago) link
What a night. Usually when I’m up this late it’s because I’m listening to NBA Youngboy.— David Brooks (@nytdavidbrooks) November 4, 2020
― just sayin, Friday, 25 November 2022 09:09 (one year ago) link
Also found this interview where he mentions the concert. He is so proud of having gone to that concert.
https://www.newsweek.com/david-brooks-new-york-times-columnist-narcissism-mockery-and-hip-hop-340318
"I believe that, over the centuries, smart people had incredibly valuable perceptions. But I don't live in the past. People stereotype me as a fogey. I am not. I go to hip-hop concerts.""Pardon?""I listen to Kendrick Lamar. I was at a Nas concert not long ago."
"Pardon?"
"I listen to Kendrick Lamar. I was at a Nas concert not long ago."
― jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 13:57 (one year ago) link
Though this is the unassailably best quote imo:
"I had metaphorical moral headphones on. People didn't associate me with an intimate life. Now, when people have a trauma, they talk to me."
Meanwhile the interviewer is needling him the whole time.
― jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 14:00 (one year ago) link
"People have traumas after talking to me."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 November 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
In 1991 when David Brooks was a 30 year old man writing columns about how the Black people who make the music he likes deserve poverty and suffering, his current wife was six years old— Hilary Agro 🍄 @hilarya✧✧✧@masto✧✧✧.l✧✧ (@hilaryagro) November 24, 2022
― curmudgeon, Friday, 25 November 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link
― JoeStork, Thursday, November 24, 2022 2:07 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
lol otm
― The field divisions are fastened with felicitations. (Deflatormouse), Friday, 25 November 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link
This dude and his Nas concert.
https://chicagomaroon.com/17637/news/uncommon-interview-david-brooks-a-b-83/
CM: So I read somewhere that you listen to rap music. Who are you listening to now?DB: [Laughs] It’s true. I was at a Nas concert! I can barely stomach Tyler the Creator, who gets a little raw for me. I come into contact with them through my kids, so they’re my avenue into the world.
DB: [Laughs] It’s true. I was at a Nas concert! I can barely stomach Tyler the Creator, who gets a little raw for me. I come into contact with them through my kids, so they’re my avenue into the world.
― jmm, Friday, 25 November 2022 20:54 (one year ago) link