TS: ivor cutler's "women of the world" vs jim o'rourke's cover thereof

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[willful misinterpretation]not THAT bizarre![/wm]

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

haha. indeed not.

ok, i'm just listening to the O'Rourke for the first time and Ivor wins this hands down. i usually like JimO and i've never had a problem with his voice but the vocal on this is pretty awful.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i really enjoyed the last 2 minutes of it, however. yeah it's good.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

whoa, really??

i disagree a lot. theyre some of the least-affected vocals i can think of. not that i have any problem with strongly-affected vox, but i have a soft spot for plain plain plain "normal person trying to sing prettily" vocals. agh im gay.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Listening to Cutler's you can see why J'OR was so attracted to it. It is one of those songs, at least for me, where I have to stop whatever I'm doing when it's on.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Cutler's version is easily one of my top 10 favorite songs ever, but I've always found it funny that it came out ('84, I think) after Thatcher was in office. I assume that she's not the sort Hirst and Cutler had in mind.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't think he pays much attention to current affairs. he probably didn't know about Thatcher.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! Maybe you're right, that's most politically-minded song of his that I can think of. But he is a friend of Robert Wyatt's - hard to think you could be Wyatt's friend w/o having a little knowledge of politics.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i was JUST going to say that, TRG! except i was gonna call him "ol' pinko wyatt." it was gonna be funny, no doubt.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently Cutler once asked Wyatt, with some concern, whether he was still a communist. You are what you are, Wyatt replied.

I love this, it's from Cutler's website:

Ivor is a member of the Noise Abatement Society and the Voluntary Euthanasia Society. He remarked once when asked if he was a member of the Noise Abatement Society "Yes, for years and years, it makes my life a great misery, noises. I always carry earplugs with me" and "The thing that drives me nuts is a lot of the fans that I have - because of Peel, I think, or because of the taste of the day - are people who go home and play very loud music in their homes, and they go in their motor cars playing very loud music with the windows open. Then they come to my gigs and I play as quiet as I can get away with because that's how I want to communicate it. I think, "I ought not to let these people in if they play loud music." Maybe I should stand at the door and you have to fill in a questionnaire before you can hear me."

TRG (TRG), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

It was hilariously meta to see him and his circa-"halfway to a threeway" three-piece band live, 'cuz a few people were so into it that they couldn't help but half-belt/half-mumble out the line with him for the however-many-minutes stretch, but of course all those people were guys. (S to the hocka.)

Craig Dunsmuir (Craig D.), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Ah, another thread to revive in tribute.

(last one, promise)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe you're right, that's most politically-minded song of his that I can think of. But he is a friend of Robert Wyatt's - hard to think you could be Wyatt's friend w/o having a little knowledge of politics.

I think you'll find Ivor was a left winger himself

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link


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