Black Sabbath: Classic or Dud?

There's a thread in the archive on this very subject.

Taking sides : Zeppelin or Sabbath

Taking Sides: Led Zeppelin Vol. 4 vs. Black Sabbath Vol.4

Anyways one of the best love songs of all time is "Sweet Leaf."

robert christgau

yeah, he just made my case. if there were a meter for classic, the red part would go 0 +1 +2 BLACK SABBATH.

My favorite all time UNDER-mentioned Sab songs: "Hand of Doom" "A National Acrobat" "The Thrill Of It All" "Junior's Eyes"

-- steve hise (shistee...), October 27th, 2004.

Sweat Loaf comes ridiculously close to bettering it though.

OK, unless you're really not into heavy rock or metal. Is this the case for you Myonga?

[I couldn't believe that Sabbath even deserved the classic/dud treatment, because I couldn't believe that ANYONE considered 'em duds. I was gonna post an are-you-kidding? reply immediately after my "DUD" assessment. But just before I did, I read Xgau's little blurb about "drug-impaired reaction time" and thought it would be HIGH-larious to wait awhile before changing my opinion, then finally changing it FOR REAL, and then blaming my long delay on...yep, you guessed it! It might've been funnier if I'd waited a day or two, but I've always been terribly impatient.]

Anyway, again, CLASSIC through first six albums; and even the inferior Dio and Gillan lineups produced a great LP between 'em.

Finally, one of these days I'm going to finally buy Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, just to see if they're really as bad as they're reputed.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 27th, 2004.

Finally, one of these days I'm going to finally buy Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die, just to see if they're really as bad as they're reputed.

-- Myonga Von Bontee (scottyfield...), October 28th, 2004.

Never heard Technical Ecstacy, but Never Say Die is grebt for the:

- Cover art
- Title track
- The start of 'Air Dance'

The rest is decent, listenable stuff, just not as good as what came before (and it's got synths, not that that's necessarily a bad thing).

Please someone tell me they know the two songs on "The Ozzman Cometh" comp: "Black Sabbath" ('70 Basement Tapes) and "War Pigs" (1970 Basement Tapes).

Both of these songs are clear evidence that BIMBLE IS MORE GOTH THAN YOU.

Um there's actually more than two basement tapes on that comp (if you get the 2xcd version). Don't forget the awesome versions of "Fairies Wear Boots" and "Behind the Wall of Sleep".

I love the production of those tunes and all the alternate lyrics and verses. Total godhead.

yeah I will have to get the 2xCD version.

A goth's work is never done.

is that "war pigs" the "walpurgis" version with the satan/witch themed lyrics? i love that.

yeah that's what it is, dude.

That...

Just... No. Ugh.

<3 cindy und bert <3

Dehumanize is good too people.

heaven & hell did a dehumanizer song that was pretty good. i only knew it was dehumanizer because they put the cover to that album up on the big video screen

Probably Computer God. Maybe TV Crimes.

Back in 2007 Heaven and Hell played "After All (The Dead)", "Computer God", and "I"...the latter of which sounded really great. That song's held up very well.

I is definitely great. I don't know if they played Computer God at the Radio City show I was at.

You've got to be kidding me.

http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUSTRE54T00420090531

Advantage: Iommi.

The reaction on dffd and probably all the other boards was "Sharon Is A Cunt"

that should infact be a poll

poll w/ one option

im sure theres x-factor viewers on ILX who like her. but someone do it to find out!

You're it Herm, i have no idea how to do it.

you click on where it says new poll
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Poll/EnterPollInformationControllerServlet?boardid=41

Instead of that, I'll just say that the vocals have always been the least important of the idea and ethos of what is "Black Sabbath". In Sabbath, it's:

mountain-moving guitar riffs and sound > thunderous but suprisingly agile rythym section >>>>>>>>> whoever the fuck is singing the lyrics the bassist wrote. Sorry Ozzy, but you now officially suck.

If as Ozzy alleges Iommi's trying to claim "ownership" of the Sabbath name, why would he be recording and touring as Heaven and Hell?

Iommi bought the name from the others in the '90s, plus he copyrighted it in 2000. Game, set, match. Just cuz he's touring with another name doesnt mean shit, if you're implying he waived his rights.

Deciblog has a good take:

http://decibelmagazine.com/Content.aspx?ncid=306741

from that
Posted 6/2/2009 2:13 PM by Senile Animal

Sharon Osbourne = Cunt!

holy shit, that statement by Ozzy. The brand was "literally in the toilet". Is this Kiss, who probably did sell toilets with the Kiss insignia, or Black Sabbath?

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Somebody please shoot the man. Put him out of his misery.

By Request: Sharon Osbourne - Cunt Or Great?

I doubt Ozzy can even go to the toilet without Sharon's permission/Help.

Well, actually...

You want reality? Noticeably absent from the show's frequent mocking of Ozzy is any discussion of his bladder problems, which have long been legend in the rock world. The reason Oz continually dumps buckets of water on himself through his concerts is to mask the fact that he's peeing in his pants, according to some who are in the unenviable position to know. A friend of mine who once visited the Osbourne manse reports that Ozzy has a "special bathroom" whose walls are lined with rubber because his aim is so bad. Somehow, MTV's cameras have avoided showing us all that.

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/music/feature/2002/07/16/ozzy/index.html

I trust everyone has seen the live in Paris 1970 footage on youtube by now. Iron Man on that jesus fucking christ.

I’m sure there’s a thread about this very thing but the differential between the cover of Sabotage (aggressively terrible) vs the content (absolutely rad and on any given day could be my fave) is stark

I don't know what you're talking about LOL

https://dx72k0ec4onep.cloudfront.net/product/1616/282536311478247228-640x640-5414939920837.jpg

Home in the skyyy-iyyyy

Bill Ward did not know they were shooting the cover that day.

Ozzy looks great though.

6’ 6” in heels

has ilx ever polled black sabbath album covers?

for the record those tights are rad. versus who's the guy on the left in chino pants? is that geezer butler? dud. i mean they all look awful next to ozzy of course but bill is the second best looking guy on that cover, he's got this weird elfin energy that sums up sabbath's aesthetic really well

btw ums i have enjoyed that weird psych band sabbath comp you put together for... i don't know. probably more than a decade, now? but planet caravan is still in a class by itself.

Supertzar? I guess it…doesn’t have drums

― calstars, Sunday, May 1, 2022 4:53 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Great to be back

Yeah, that's Geezer in the chinos and the giant ass cross, which is typically Tony's look.

Heels or no heels, I've stood next to Ozzy, and based on that, the other guys in Sabbath must be fucking dwarves. I'm not a giant, — I'm 6'2" — and he's supposedly 5'10" but I think he's at least two inches shorter than that. (He was wearing old-man velcro sneakers at the time.)

He might well be shrinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6GTf6rOepQ

Jazz Sabbath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcr708w1HY

oh yes

This is Geezer Butler- he wrote this!

Jizz Sabbath

sorry i think you will find the true story on their Bandcamp page:

Jazz Sabbath (1968) were considered to be at the forefront of the new English jazz movement. Their self-titled debut album would be released on 13 Feb 1970, but on Feb 12th founding member and pianist Milton Keanes was hospitalised with a massive heart attack; leaving him fighting for his life. The record company shelved the album and cancelled the scheduled release out of financial uncertainty of releasing a debut album from a band without its musical leader.

When Milton was released from hospital in September 1970, he found out that a band from Birmingham, conveniently called ‘Black Sabbath’, had since released two albums containing so-called metal versions of his songs. His recalled albums had been destroyed in a warehouse fire in June 1970; leaving only a few bootleg tapes of Jazz Sabbath’s live performances as proof of existence.

The master tapes, believed to be lost in the fire, were found in 2019. These songs will now finally be heard; proving that the heavy metal band worshipped by millions are in fact nothing more than musical charlatans, thieving the music from a bedridden, hospitalised genius.

Black Challops

Lmao James

That version of Iron Man is pretty awesome

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2023/feb/08/black-sabbath-ballet-to-be-staged-in-birmingham

Supernaut is their most funky

https://i.imgur.com/oKqx0Dd.jpeg
Was it illusion ???

Supernaut is their most funky

The Wizard, maybe. But Supernaut fucking kills.

the coda of Sympton of the Universe is a good candidate too, in fact that whole track is funky!

I dig the funkiness of "Behind the Wall of Sleep." They may have enough for a Funk Sabbath compilation.

there's a compilation I have on Spotify made by Andrew Male called "Brown Sabbath" which is a selection of their acid-folk hippy trippy stuff

that's much better than what I thought it would be

haha indeed

Supernaut wins the Funk Sabbath contest through the cod-Latin section in the breakdown

who is this andrew male mf jacking my playlist idea

I made "We Sail Through Endless Skies: The Quiet Black Sabbath Album", check it.

there's a compilation I have on Spotify made by Andrew Male called "Brown Sabbath" which is a selection of their acid-folk hippy trippy stuff

― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, April 16, 2024 8:16 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

here's a link because this was surprisingly difficult to find for me

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5Oj4COp422cODysqXbEhK4

UMS i will A/B the two

thanks, should have posted the link!

xxxp nice, there's a lot of crossover between the playlists as you might expect

ha seems like we've hit a "infinite monkeys/typewriters" of black sabbath playlists with this

I thought there was a Brown Sabbath cover band doing Latin funk versions of songs. Were around a few years ago saw links to their material may have even got a set off Dime. Now wondering if that was what they were called. Latin and Black players who I thought were reworking Sabbath tracks among others

Project of a band called Brownout

Brown Sabbath is the name of that band, I thought it worked pretty well overall

And you could make a playlist maybe of the hooky psych power pop of the chorus of Looking for Today or the entirety Am I Going Insane