Robert Plant's Solo career: classic, dud, search, destroy, etc.

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I'd always figured he was following King Crimson's example of casting off the past in favour of a more streamlined, forward-looking approach, but that all took a hoary, hirsute nosedive circa after Now And Zen.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

that recent Plant album was COMPLETELY AWESOME, for real

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

haha - I have also been thinking about Plant solo lately, esp. Now and Zen which I listened to like crazy in 88 but haven't heard once since 89. 13 yr old me LOVVVED "tall cool one" - fie on you alex!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

I like Tall Cool One too.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

i liked pictures at 11 (and the honeydrippers).

the video for big log was hypnotic, i'd love to see it again. also the beginning/end of the video for "in the mood" was pretty nu-psych in a proto-loveless videos sorta way.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, both of those videos from Principle of Moments were great!

Pictures of Eleven is really a pretty good album; I can't believe they didn't include anything from it on the best-of. "Burning Down One Side" and "Pledge Pin" are both worthy (and I'm pretty sure they both got regular radio play back in the day).

yeah, Blount, I loved Now and Zen as well but probably haven't heard in about as long as you. "Ship of Fools" was good too! I totally hadn't listened to that Manic Nirvana thing in like a dozen years. Some unknown impulse compelled me to play it last weekend.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, "Tall Cool One" is entirely awkward and embarassing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

Lighten up, Alex, he's in love with you.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

lighten up! lighten up!

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

Hahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:47 (twenty years ago) link

the LZ sample(s?) in that song are among the cheapest LCD "songwriting" tactics imaginable (like you'd expect as much from plant bearing in mind his history of plagiarism).

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

it was his response to the beastie boys apparently

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

too bad memphis minnie didn't get to record a response.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Plant during the latter half of his Now and Zen tour, liked it a lot. Not too sure what I would think of it now, tho. Hrm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm... Percy solo, let's see... putting aside "Walking into Clarksdale" (90% of which I adore)...

While "FofN" does have a dreadful cover (and the last track "Network News" is an appallingly bad song), the rest of the album probably represents the best collection of songs amongst his solo albums. "Down to the Sea", "Come into my life", "Calling to you" - all good.

"Tie Dye on the Highway" from "Manic Nirvana" would rock like a behemoth if it wasn't for that godawful 80s drum sound... Elsewhere, I'd go for "I cried" and "Nirvana". "Hurting Kind" though goes straight in the bin alongside "Tall cool one".

"Now and Zen" I've never been over the moon about... I mean "Dance on my own" for heaven's sake! Oh dear. It does have "Ship of Fools" though, a solid track, and a few other decent tunes, but Phil Johnstone's influence is a little too pervasive in places. "White clean and neat" is one song I have always had a soft spot for.

"Shaken 'n Stirred"... hmmm, never really been able to get my head around this one. Plant goes new wave synth pop? The video for "Little by Little" is a bit of a trip.

"The Principle of Moments" - some good tracks, eg. "Big Log", "In the mood". Great videos for both of them also.

"Pictures at Eleven" - what? No "Slow dancer" on the new comp? They must be kidding! I have a bootleg somewhere with a cracking live version.

steve, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

Alex - isn't the lyric "You were pumping iron while I was pumping irony"? Could be wrong, haven't listened to it in a while...

steve, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

I'm love Led Zeppelin, but I could never get into either Page's or Plant's solo career. Oh, and that brief collaboration with David Coverversion recently - that was just plain embarrassing.

calstars (calstars), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

recently

Recently? It's more than ten years old now!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

Let's not talk about Coverdale/Page.... please! What was Pagey thinking?! As Plant wails on "Calling to You" - "Ohhhhhhhhh Jimmy!" ;-)

steve, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

Heh - Ned I saw that tour too.. Joan Jett opened!

I never heard that Coverdale/Page record. I bet I'll probably hear it before I die, though. Then again you never know. I've gotta believe there are at least one or two well-constructed riffs on there somewhere; it's Page, after all. About half of Outrider was actually really good.

Man, this track-listing for the Plant best-of is pretty wack. How the heck can you leave off "In the Mood"? And they should have put "Far Post" on there ("Big Log" B-side, and a good tune in its own right), instead of like 5 (?!) tracks from Fate of Nations.

Still I'm pretty curious to hear that early track recorded with Alexis Korner.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 06:20 (twenty years ago) link

Alex - isn't the lyric "You were pumping iron while I was pumping irony"? Could be wrong, haven't listened to it in a while...

Completely correct, Steve. For some reason, I inexplicably deleted "iron". I'm losing my mind. In any event, it's still an abjectly crap lyric. That particular track is littered with similarly cringe-worthy couplets.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

the coverdale/page record is a musthear if only for the lyrics

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

Someone should talk more about Dreamland.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

I would, but I never heard it (apart from the afore-mentioned cover of "Song to the Siren").

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Alhuh6j437190

OH NO! That naughty Thom Jurek is at it again! Check out that line about Lester Bangs.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Alhuh6j437190

OH NOES! That naughty Thom Jurek is at it again! Check out that line about Lester Bangs.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

Way back when Pictures At Eleven was released, the local AOR station also put one of the UK single b-sides in rotation, a lovely little number called "Far Post", that I've never seen on any other Plant release, anywhere. Anyone have it?

d.w., Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

Narramind. Looks like it's on the "White Nights" soundtrack CD, which I ought to be able to find in a dollar bin somewhere.

d.w., Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~liden/image/now_zen.jpg

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah d.w., and as I posted above, it's not on the best-of! Stupid, really.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

Dreamland is GREAT! like top-to-bottom great! that's all I really have to say about it though

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

I think Dreamland is quite good, though it's not something I play all the time. Very creative and expressive arrangements of folk and blues songs, mostly. Very solid band, with a variety of instruments, including strings, some electronics, guitar noise, and Arabian instruments. "Skip's Song" is good almost in a LZ III way and is my favourite. "Song to the Siren" is beautiful. I like the versions of "Morning Dew" and "One More Cup of Coffee" a lot. He actually manages to do something surprising and scary with "Hey Joe".

I totally loved "Tie Dye to the Highway" at the time (Grade 6/7). I really liked "Hurting Kind" too. I also remember "Liar's Dance" being good. Some of the rest too. I remember writing a review of Manic Nirvana for a Gr 7 English assignment and saying that it was pretty good but leaves the listener wanting a little more.

I think the coolest thing about his 80s solo career was how he reinvented his persona as this button-down shirt-wearing English gentleman artiste, sort of a hippie Peter Gabriel.

"Tall Cool One" was great, WTF? Or at least I thought so then. "Ship of Fools" too. I don't remember that album as well.

Yeah, "In the Mood" is good.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

whatever the quality of his solo music, mr. plant always gave props to alternative/indie/whatever bands that he liked (and almost all of which sounded rather unlike led zeppelin) -- the cure and depeche mode (maybe even the pixies?) come to mind from memory, though i am sure that there are others. for being an exception to the "dinosaurs" who acted as if punk/new wave never happened, plant deserves respect.

and yes, some of his solo stuff is pretty good ... i always liked "in the mood," "little by little," and "heaven knows" (though the lyrics are sorta c-grade bryan ferry [OF ALL PEOPLE FOR MR. DOES-ANYONE-REMEMBER-LAUGHTER TO TRY TO IMITATE COULD YOU SEE THE FAVOR BEING RECIPROCATED?!]). the honeydrippers "sea of love" remake is silly, but it lead me to the original version so it's all good in the end (plus the video was prime mid-eighties cheese and the chick therein looked like a high-school teacher i really crushed on big time).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 6 November 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

I just played Dreamland, having just picked it up in the used bin. It's really good! Nice arrangements and song selection; I agreee with Sundar above. I didn't want to hear another version of "Hey Joe" but this one's pretty good. And "Song to the Siren" is gorgeous... Alex maybe you need to hear it again. And his voice still sounds great.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Plant is a big fan of Big Black's Songs About Fucking, allegedly.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 November 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

that's true, I've heard him big up it in a couple of interviews

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 7 November 2003 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Robert used to urge one to squeeze his lemon, now he looks like he's been sucking on one:

http://www.borntoboogie.net/Images/premiere/tv_robplant_rolan.jpg

(That's Tony Visconti and Rolan Bolan, Marc's son, on either side of him at an event for the Born to Boogie DVD.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 May 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Rolan Bolan....heh.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 May 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I read the other day that Plant has sold over 20 million records from his solo career alone. wow!

Al (sitcom), Monday, 16 May 2005 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh, good on him, actually. Sure a lot of it was a coast on the Led Zep afterburn but you know, he really does deserve it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 May 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I was sure this was revived in light of the nice reviews for the new one... anybody heard it?

An unmentioned song I still go back to: the beautiful synth ballad "Thru With The Two Step" from Principle of Moments. Man, I wish he'd locked into that sound/vibe and just stayed there....

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Monday, 16 May 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Can't say the new album knocked me out particularly - yes I know Jah Wobble's on it, but if Plant had done an album with Wobble (and Keith Levene?) in 1979 now THERE would have been something. Pretty much the standard post-"Kashmir" world metal muzak plod AFAIC.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 16 May 2005 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

(X-post) - Wouldn't "Zolan Bolan" have been more appropriate?

I like Robert Plant's first three records (the Robbie Blunt trilogy) a lot, and appreciate the effort on Plant's part to make them NOT sound like Zeppelin. Which would've been a mistake, considering how his voice has deteriorated over the years - couldn't hit the high notes anymore. His next few weren't very good at all, although sampling the Beastie Boys was a clever move. "Calling To You" and "Tie Die On The Highway" were pretty spacey. (Incidentally, what the heck was up with those ultra-arcane song titles, anyway? Were they dope-inspired? pulled at random out of a hat? i-ching toss-results? or just inside jokes? Dunno; but one of the few that made sense: "Mystery Title"!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 16 May 2005 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

The old wheeze can still startle. I caught "Darkness Darkness" on Classic VH-1 a few nights ago and – wow. What he's lost in range he's gained in gravitas and grit.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

appreciate the effort on Plant's part to make them NOT sound like Zeppelin.

He has since irritatingly renounced said efforts, alas.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 May 2005 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I was sure this was revived in light of the nice reviews for the new one...

Actually I didn't even know there was one!

I have to say I kinda regret not getting The Principle of Moments back when I heard "Big Log" and "In the Mood" on the radio in upstate New York -- both reasonably big hits and spun quite a bit. I was 12 then and had I picked up the album and really gotten into it, it would have been interesting to see how I viewed Led Zep and much else in retrospect.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 May 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Get Dreamland! It's great.

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 16 May 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned, I was the same age when I got that record and I think I might appreciate it now more than I did at that age (in the throes of Zeppelin geeking). There's some sophisticated pop on that one and on Shaken n' Stirred ('85) that probably rubbed a lot of his fans' ears the wrong way.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Monday, 16 May 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to the new one over the weekend. Didn't knock me out--nice "textures" and the only songs I really liked were the old-fashioned Led Zep 3-style folky ones. But I do like his voice better now, actually.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Dreadful album cover the new one has, though I dare say it's better than Fate of Nations.....which is sort've like saying it's better than a paper plate smeared with yak dung.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

*er, the title should say "Stirred."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"Too Loud" is great.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a strong affection for the first three Plant solo albums and really should hear these recent ones.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Was he listening to Big Audio Dynamite?

Not sure about BAD - quite possible, given the man's eclectic tastes. One of his main inspirations around this time was Peter Gabriel.

Deluxe (Damian), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

A shame he largely abandoned this album's sound. Dreamland however is pretty great, especially "Darkness, Darkness."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
CUZ YOU'RE TOO LOUD TOO LOUD TOO LOUD!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

a shame that there was no Youtube when i originally posted in this thread, about how 80s cheesy the video for "sea of love" is. here it is, in all of its Zorba-the-Greek/Frank-Zappa-lookalike-standing-around-a-xylophone-and-wearing-a-speedo glory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9-026ZCKR8

there can be only but steam that smells of shit and weaklingness (Eisbaer), Friday, 19 February 2010 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

hey so fate of nations is actually an outstanding fucking record just fyi

Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Friday, 2 April 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked "29 Palms" at the time. There aren't many Plant solo moments I haven't enjoyed, actually.

yeah it's like even the ones that don't seem good at the time come to sound pretty awesome if you just set 'em aside to ripen

Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Friday, 2 April 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Back in '06, Rhino boxed all his solo stuff; I reviewed it for the Voice. (Please ignore the clumsy placement of the parenthetical about Phil Collins; yes, I know he didn't drum for Led Zeppelin.)

http://www.villagevoice.com/2006-11-28/music/whole-lotta-universal-love/

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Friday, 2 April 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

a "colonalist Paul Simon way"?!

Sorry – I know this ain't the Vampire Weekend thread.

need moar talking about how amazing his videos were --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImpSyGTzot0

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I am so in love with that 'In the Mood' vid

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Did he ever say exactly why he dislikes those early solo records?

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link

*does* he dislike them? where did you ever get that impression?

Stormy Davis, Saturday, 10 April 2010 08:57 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I may be under the spell of xhuxk's interview/review of Now & Zen, but so what: the album sounds great now.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 31 July 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

I remember being a kid and hearing "In the Mood" and just feeling like it was so wonderfully from outer space. Classic for all time.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 31 July 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

Sorry, "Tall Cool One" is entirely awkward and embarassing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, November 4, 2003

as usual so wrong

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 August 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link

I love the spooky robert plant song with the finger snapping and liquid guitar solo

gardener by day, gatekeeper by night (blank), Monday, 1 August 2011 01:07 (twelve years ago) link

lil by lil

mookieproof, Monday, 1 August 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

Pictures At Eleven and Principle Of Moments are awesome! I particularly like Robbie Blunts watery Strat playing on POM. Big Log and In The Mood are gorgeous songs.

Brooker T Buckingham, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

Gonna be smoking a phat one alfresco to this tune during those long summer evenings.

That I guarantee ;D
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dell (del), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

I actually still adore "Heaven Knows." But, again, "Tall Cool One" is just lame, lame, lame.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

he's had an admirable career i think, definitely followed his own path without really seeming to be weighed down by the legacy of zeppelin

om nom nom nnamdi asomugha (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

after Peter Gabriel no lead singer has Done His Own Thing to more rewarding effect.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

Pictures At Eleven and Principle Of Moments are awesome! I particularly like Robbie Blunts watery Strat playing on POM. Big Log and In The Mood are gorgeous songs.

― Brooker T Buckingham, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:46 AM (1 hour ago)

Eeek, the tone is way too nasally and dry for my tastes.

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Big Log is the biggest WTf moment of the past few weeks. Guitarist tone is so awful, his pull-offs amateur. Whole song sounds like some lounge effort. Drums and pads are almost modern sounding. "...and the coming of night time" ok

calstars, Friday, 1 March 2013 02:42 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...
two years pass...

I think "Lullaby and... the Ceaseless Roar" is as good of an album I would expect or want from Robert Plant on the 21st Century.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link

Yep!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link

solid perce

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

anyone listening to his podcast? it's kind of nice. He's all over the place but enjoyable to listen to.

Also learned that Richie Hayward played on Shaken n Stirred, now I have to go listen to that one

calstars, Thursday, 11 July 2019 01:36 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Robert Plant and Phil Collins backstage at Madison Square Garden, NYC during Plant's 1983 'Principle of Moments' tour pic.twitter.com/7vrEJWZ5ta

— Barney Hurley (@barneyhurley1) May 2, 2021

calstars, Monday, 3 May 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link

boss business

“The break is in 7/8”

calstars, Monday, 3 May 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link

"Lighten up, baby, I'm in love with you!"

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2021 09:33 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

you were pumping iron while i was pumping irony

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 03:11 (ten months ago) link

Heaven knows!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 03:13 (ten months ago) link


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