― zacko, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Emo: supposed to have started with Rites of Spring is my understanding, who led to Fugazi. Now the term is meaningless, for reasons laid out expertly by Nitsuh.
North of America: not emo at all. Math rock, pure math rock.
― Matthew Lazowski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs&feature=share
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 03:32 (seven years ago) link
^^Not showing up for me. What is it?
― JRN, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:05 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs
― Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:43 (seven years ago) link
I love how Albini said for years that Fugazi was one of the few bands he respected so much he'd record them for free. And then he recorded them and they didn't use it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
Hmm. I can sorta see why they scrapped this, but I say that as someone very, very familiar with IOTKT as it was released
― Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link
But none of these versions are better than the album versions
(see also: First Demo. How many times have you listened to that one since you bought it?)
― Wimmels, Monday, 5 December 2016 14:40 (seven years ago) link
Ian Mackaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat/ Dischord Records at the #JuggaloMarch pic.twitter.com/acrebJ4zCd— #retiredpunk (@NickKarpPhotos) September 17, 2017
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/018/MI0002018821.jpg
― JRN, Monday, 18 September 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Saw that! Watched Brendan Canty playing drums with Lizzi from GangGang Dance & guitarist Dana Vorhees at the Hirshhorn Museum Yoko Ono tribute. Canty & Joe Lally will be backing Daniel Johnston on his upcoming DC gig.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link
Koolest Wizards jumbotron screengrab of all time? pic.twitter.com/XV6Xt4R8D1— Chris _ _ Richards (@Chris__Richards) November 10, 2017
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
Also, had no idea Lally and Canty were in a new band together.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
(With Anthony Pirog)
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
& Rites of Spring really surprised me
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 11 November 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Welp, that rules.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 11 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0nFZe_e-qc
new canty/lally/pirog track
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Another track here https://themessthetics.bandcamp.com/track/serpent-tongue
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
Messthetics album release is March 23. Brendan Canty is also gonna be busy touring with MC5 50th anniversary group with Wayne Kramer and others
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
End hits fucking rules
― kolakube (Ross), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
^otm
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
all fugazi albums rule
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Steady Diet of Nothing doesn't imo but that's about it
― albvivertine, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:24 (six years ago) link
No, that one rules, too. A lot.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 04:34 (six years ago) link
Steady Diet a lot better than End Hits - the former a much better showcase for the rhythm section, which is the band's strongest point.
(what I mean is the instrumental-side of Fugazi is better in the context of short, tightly wound interplay where the bass/drums are at the forefront - 'jammy' Fugazi isn't the best Fugazi IMO)
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:37 (six years ago) link
i'd call red medicine jammy, end hits i guess is playing-wise but towards much more frictive ends? anyway that era is my favorite of theirs, i think the rhythm section gets plenty of shine and the compositions especially on end hits hit a great balance of punch and spaciousness (both of which iirc steady diet lacks a bit i comparison to their other records variously, though it still rules)
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:51 (six years ago) link
the argument hits that balance the most smoothly and so might be their best (it's a good record to end on as it ties together strands of their previous modes to creates its own). i listen to it less though bc i love their jammy mode
― lowercase (eric), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
There is a case to be made that The Argument=Red Medicine/End Hits. End Hits is the one I listen to the least, for no good reason.
In On The Kill Taker is the band's most aggro album. "Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
...and their best, IMO. Probably their loudest album but also more dynamically nuanced than the earlier stuff. Plus "Sweet and Low" (an example of why I'm iffy about the longer, later material - they perfected the "this is a Fugazi instrumental" here)
― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
"Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!
ah but Facet Squared includes one of my absolute favourite Ian lines - "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"
― papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
I love the lyrics to Facet Squared. 'Cool's eternal but it's always dated' has the ring of a stolen revealed truth.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
Yeah, but did you catch any of those lyrics without a lyrics sheet?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
Steady Diet is the one that most consistently slays from beginning to end imo. Maybe others have higher highs but it's still my favorite to play in the car.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
xp "Irony is the refuge of the educated" was a line ahead of its time imo
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
That and "I hate the sound of guitars" are the fugazi lyrics I think about most
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Messthetics LP is awesome, gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
Good podcast interview w/Ian about some of the music that mattered to him: http://wypr.org/post/essential-tremors-ian-mackaye
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 31 March 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
Fugazi rules. my first album of theirs was "Red Medicine" and i was shocked it was only $10. soon enough picked up "Repeater" and listened to those two a lot in my first year of college. kept up with them off an on and always enjoyed their stuff. i remember really liking the "Instrument" movie, which was the last thing i heard of them.
i got to see them play a show in early 2000s. it was of course a great show, and they stopped it midway through to throw out somebody in the audience who was being unduly aggressive. as a small person who always had to be cautious around mosh pits at shows, seeing this in action was very much appreciated!
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
No one wants to discuss this Mesthetics record, huh? Quit living in the past!
Mostly kidding here. But this record is great and should be getting more attention.
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
Fuck it, I'm starting a thread
I just didn't think it was that great personally even though it's good to hear Canty + Lally together again.
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy
Enjoy!
https://open.spotify.com/album/62JuK3H7TjIMAKbHPDSoCU
― cwkiii, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
Seriously, though. Please enjoy that.
― cwkiii, Saturday, 31 March 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
the best
i want to read this
https://www.amazon.com/Fugazis-Kill-Taker-Joe-Gross-ebook/dp/B07BFGYYG8/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
Ordered. It should have a sticker on the back that says "$11 postage paid" or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
Love this album. I will definitely be buying this.
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 23 April 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
i listened to 13 songs today so many jams....13 jams to be exact
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 April 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
killtaker was my first (but not my last). facet squared is a helluva intro to a band (esp if you're 17 and you only bought it because Eddie Vedder said it was great)
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
Just started reading this book and I am stoked, but already encountered something that super irked me. He's writing about the failed Albini sessions, and saying how it should have been the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine) but then also ... Jay Z and "Doctor Dre." First, that he spelled (or someone corrected) it "Doctor." Second, Jay-Z and Dr. Dre barely did anything together, right? Let alone formed some epochal team. Unless I'm reading his reference wrong, and it was supposed to be a dream team, but Miles and Rudy was real, so this one seems like a weird unforced error.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link
"Doctor Dre" oh man. But it's about what I'd expect from the 33 1/3 series. There are definitely a couple of good entries, but it's strictly amateur hour for the most part.
― Position Position, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
The folks whose live and interview footage was used were there and they discussed afterwards the difference between lugging big old video cameras then and using cellphones now. Jim Saah who is also a professional photographer and has a book of dc punk and more photos out, was doing the standard over age 50 grumbling about people holding up cell phones and doing bad quality footage. Another participant Sohrab who used to play in bands responded to him— I was 14 then and my skill level was terrible. I was lucky enough to have parents who had a big video camera and let me use it. Who are you to set rules now regarding who is allowed to tape and who isn’t.
While there were women photographers at Fugazi shows back in the day, none of the video folks in the doc and at the AFI Silver were female.
Unrelated observation—Also while the film has some brief old interviews with Ian and Guy, there’s no interviews with drummer Brendan or bassist Joe Lally.
Oh, one of my fave clips in the movie is when Amy Pickering , who worked At Dischord and played in bands, was the guest vocalist on “Suggestion.” Having Amy sing lyrics including “Why Can’t I walk down the street free of suggestion “ made the song so much more powerful
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link
Pretty sure the last significant time we went to Fort Reno was the allegedly final Dismemberment Plan show (2003 or 04?). It was absolutely pouring rain and there was cake. Were you at that show, curmudgeon? My main man Jason Hutto (appearing as "The Aquarium") sang "someone left my cake out in the rain." Then his keyboard shorted out due to rain and things started to fall apart.
Travis said that it was bullshit and they would do another club gig in the fall to make it up to Plan fans. I don't remember going to their last 9:30 show but we saw Travis solo at Galaxy Hut shortly thereafter. He played Ludacris and Mary J. Blige.
We may have been once or twice since, but the magic was kinda gone and it wasn't the same.
I met my now-wife through these connections, so they retain sentimental value even though it wasn't quite my music at the time. She was a big PFDC devotee so I got exposure to that scene mainly through her.
We've seen various Minor Threat and Fugazi-adjacent acts but I don't think either of us ever went to a Fugazi gig. Some years later we lived on 10th Street and our local 7-11 and dry cleaner was upstairs from Dischord.
Fun times.
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link
Hopefully much better to have a plethora of footage than have things skipped. THough hope it doesn't mean things aren't valorised as worthySuch a shame that there is no Pere Ubu pre Birdies from Urgh A Music War or the only classic era classic line up Television is the clipmof Foxhole that was on OGWT, though do dream that there may be more of that appear at some point. There's so much more with Richard Hell for some reason.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:17 (one year ago) link
they sound like red hot chili peppers. some good songs though.
― CerebralCaustic, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 15:59 (one year ago) link
Frusciante of RHCP was a Fugazi fan. But whatever
X-post — yeah I think I was at that Dismemberment Plan Fort Reno gig
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
xp where is the Fugazi song with slap bass, "funky" scratch guitar, and Kiedis-style vox?
Or maybe the question I'm asking is, where is the RHCP song that sounds like "Facet Squared"???
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
https://external-preview.redd.it/DyGgfXk_6agulpnt8MsRjLSPVoZZouUpXbRs3ITWJKE.jpg?auto=webp&s=6e80f3d9d0975a20c7201c1e03407e728482a922
"Flippy-dippy doo, flippy doopy doo-doo!"
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2013+Coachella+Valley+Music+Arts+Festival+eBKFlxy5vMel.jpg"Why can't I walk down the streeeet, free from bass-slappin' ..."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wweoL5v9vW8
sorry to ruin a fugazi thread with a video of the red hot chili peppers playing live but you'll hear "latest disgrace" at the top
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
That's cool. Imagining an alternate world where Joe Lally wriggled around like Flea.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
I don't have a specific memory of it, but statistically speaking I am pretty sure I bought a cup of Haagen-Dazs raspberry sorbet from that guy at least twice.
I do get a little tired of thinking about him, though, because he had a brief period of urgent relevance and has had an EXTREMELY long period of being interviewed about his brief period of urgent relevance.
You know how Olympic gymnasts peak at approximately age 14? and then spend the rest of their lives coping with the fact that they were globally famous when they were 14 and now they're just... normal people? Yeah, that.
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:24 (one year ago) link
Taking sides: Häagen-Dazs vs. Frusen Glädjé
It's like the death metal of dessert products
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 21:29 (one year ago) link
some of their songs sound like rhcp
― CerebralCaustic, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
No they don't
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link
I don't ever wanna feelI'm in the waiting room
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 February 2023 22:41 (one year ago) link
brief period of urgent relevance
uhhh if you think of 1981-2001 (20 years) as "brief", I guess?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 14 February 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
Joe Lally’s dub reggae inspired bass playing seems different than Flea’s funk influenced bass
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 02:44 (one year ago) link
Sleeve, comrade,I like you and I like Ian and Brendan and the whole crowd.
But seriously. When a documentary filmmaker interviews someone with the last name MacKaye, they are not asking him questions about what he was up to in 2001.
Just kinda guessing here but I think most people want to know about the period of highest urgency, which is 1980 or 81 to 1990 or 91.
If you or someone you know was deeply into Fugazi in 2001, well, good for you. Pat yourself on the back for how well-versed you are in harDCore. Congrats.
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:09 (one year ago) link
I assume MacKaye has spent the majority of the last 20 years methodically transferring live recordings and videos to digital storage.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:21 (one year ago) link
https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series
They often used the audio from here for the movie doc rather than the sound recorded by the video cameras
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 04:39 (one year ago) link
Most of the songs in the doc are from the first two albums.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:35 (one year ago) link
YMP drop the old guy act, plenty of people I know found this band extremely inspiring in the late 90s and beyond, sorry you're jaded
PS I have lived on the west coast for 30+ years, the band's enduring influence has nothing to do with your insular DC viewpoint
― sleeve, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 06:01 (one year ago) link
and re: questions asked in some doc I will never see, well maybe they should be asking about the Evens and maybe the 2005 tour with The Ex or y'know any of the other cool things Ian & Amy have been up to, do the fucking homework
at least they're fucking trying...
― sleeve, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 06:03 (one year ago) link
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 09:46 (one year ago) link
I think it was on the Kreative Kontrol podcast a couple of years ago that MacKaye talked about things such as keeping Dischord records going and the importance of reissuing/keeping the back catalogue in print, migrating to Bandcamp, etc.
He seems to feel that his role is as a curator nowadays, and that's how he keeps busy, I forgot that Dischord was based on handshake contracts. He certainly has historian/journalistic instincts, inherited from his mother.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 10:19 (one year ago) link
hi dere, midwest hxc kid here, saw fugazi for the only time in 2001 and it was amazing
your opinions on this are weird, tho not as weird as the chili peppers guy
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 10:59 (one year ago) link
I was also at the AFI screening on Saturday night. The whole thing took shape in just a period of months when someone realized 2002 was the anniversary of Fugazi's last show. One of the performances shown was inserted like a week before the screening. It seems like they initially didn't even want to call it a documentary but there are interviews and inserts that lead me to believe they might keep working on it and release it as a doc at some point.
Was a fun time seeing something like the "Glue Man" performance in Olympia (shot by Lance Bangs, who was also in attendance) on the big AFI main theater screen.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 12:55 (one year ago) link
*2022 was the anniversary, rather.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
Sorry I've been testy, folks, just having a bad patch lately and it's coming out in weird unnecessarily strong opinions
― serif don't like it (rock the typeface) (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 13:22 (one year ago) link
Yeah, MacKaye I get the feeling is mostly in curator mode. It's not like he's some talking head media whore, out there seeking the spotlight. I think (like Albini) he's just doing his thing, but always happy to answer the phone.
Brendan seems busiest, then Joe, then ... I have no idea what Guy is up to.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:06 (one year ago) link
If Ian is doing nothing more than making sure Dischord has the most efficient and easiest to deal with mail order service on planet Earth than that is enough
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
this was pretty recent long interview with Guyhttps://open.spotify.com/episode/2rrhS2MD7xlcs5eQLOUEKw?si=ebd2810b15ce4383
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
sorry for my unnecessarily testy reply, I'm a dick. But Fugazi in 2001 were a fantastic band, still at their peak IMO!
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 16 February 2023 11:24 (one year ago) link
THink I may be missing out on a lot by being more familiar with the band from the early 90s. When they were quite incredible anyway.Still can't get over somebody from Ugly Things saying taht Fugazi had nothing to do with punk, were more to do with math rock. Seems to exist in a world where their own history and prehistory was erased if that were true. Surely that is way more than opinion. I thought that they were incredibly influential on more punky bands even once they had developed to a point when they weren't immediately connected to 'punk' sonically. Thought they were laying blueprints for exploration and ethical conduct anyway.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 16 February 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link
you're not a dick, stevie
― tajmahalia jackson (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 February 2023 13:38 (one year ago) link
98-2001>88-91
― CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 16 February 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3li8fui6XcI
― CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 16 February 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link
End Hits 4 lyfe
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 February 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
We are Fugazi concert film is showing in Philadelphia one night only June 11 . It just had an extended run in DC area at the AfI Silver that is scheduled to end tonight April 20
We Are Fugazi From Washington, DC exclusive Philly engagement at PhilaMOCA on Sunday, June 11, 7:00 PM. Tickets are on sale now: https://t.co/DUz5rS8shz pic.twitter.com/MewztvIVH3— PhilaMOCA (@PhilaMOCA) April 20, 2023
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 20 April 2023 20:24 (eleven months ago) link
And another showing in Harrisburg, PA on May 19
WE ARE FUGAZI FROM WASHINGTON, DC - HARRISBURG SCREENING - With Filmmaker Jeff Krulik In Person!
First Screening Outside of Maryland / DC area!One Night Only! In conjunction with the 24th Annual Moviate Underground Film Festival!
https://allevents.in/harrisburg/we-are-fugazi-from-washington-dc-harrisburg-screening-with-filmmaker-jeff-krulik-in-person/200024480512020
Brooklyn NY showing tba
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 21:13 (eleven months ago) link