Women in electronic/dance music

what i'd like to see are more female engineers as well as female equivalents of Basement Jaxx and the like. maybe its not that relavant but havent you wondered why the girls tend to just want to dance to this stuff rather than actually MAKE it themselves? is it all just down to stifling stereotypes?

Here's an odd reason that will probably be shouted down (by myself) due to sexism. The very nature of dance music/electronics is the idea of one geek, alone in the bedroom twiddling knobs. (or up in a DJ booth twiddling knobs.) Geeks - women in the minority. Knobs - OK, I've just been looking at Barely Legal Teen Boys so I'm gonna steer clear of that one. But the way that women approach music is a communal thing, women often prefer to write in partnership, so the solo bedroom twiddling thing is not the preferred option. I'm too full of sugar to hone this into a fully formed opinion right now, but does anyone else know what I'm getting at?

It's just the way that I've seen women work when they create music, from having worked with so many of them...

Miss Kittin does some producing.

Meat Katie for breaks.

Making electronic music is often a lonely and anti-social process, no other band members, much less interaction with your audience. It's not just that it puts off a lot of women, but is does seem to attract a particular kind of boy (yes, boy, not man)

Anna, I am insulted.

i think kate is actually onto something in that boys are often brought up to believe its 'correct' for them to be interested in technology and want to sit in their bedrooms on their computers whereas this doesnt seem to happen with girls by and large

nabisco makes a fair point - there are many female renegades in electronic music, but out of the ones she listed Peaches is the only one having any kind of modcium of commercial success...so the issue becomes more why cant women in electronic music be perceived as a commercially viable thing?

I didn't mean it as an absolute statement, honest. Just, generally ... anyway, you're only 25, don't sell your youth down the river young man.

NABISCO IS A SAD AND ISOLATED LOOSER!

*runs and hides, ha!*

The nature vs nurture debate starts now!

eh?

blueski, she co-produced post, homogenic and did most of vespertine herself. talk to ANY of her collaborators and they'll tell you she has extremely well-defined ideas as to how she wants the music to sound; if anything, her weakness is as an engineer, NOT as a producer/musician.

an across-the-board first impression consensus from collaborators past and present is that she's much more involved (ie. in terms of sheer detail -> the 'musician' bits) than they ever would have expected. (i mean, bear in mind she attended the reykjavik music conservatory from 5 to 15 and has been recording since 11.) so to dimiss her perceived input as on par with beyonce or madonna (onetime professional bjork piggybacker!) is a tad dismissive, and probably reflective of the bjork as kook mentality that she's admittedly brought upon herself...

All her albums sound like her and it's not just because of the voice. I've seen her on TV programming a laptop and using and SU10. I think she can probably writes scores to an extent.

No ones mentioned Nic Endo so far who does (or did) a lot of stuff for ATR, live she must be making 50% of the sound. I've seen Alec Empire with and without her and without her he was rubbish. Her replacement on that occasion was a man. Nic also has sole albums.

Le Tigre are fantastic!!!

How much does Missy Elliot do? She's usually credited with co-production I think, but it seems easy to assume she does the words and Timbaland the bleeps. Does she make the music too?

http://www.sparkleproductions.freeserve.co.uk/djshardhousetechno.html

Siegbran or Steve have you ever seen Phil Reyonds play a set? What do you think of him?

vicky from people like us

and.... the godmother of the whole shebang - bebe barron!

indeed! plus claire is completely gorgeous too, which doesn't change my enjoyment of the music, but i just thought i'd mention.

kelli (i spelled it wrong before) hand is a detroit techno producer, records as k. hand, you might know "ready for the darkness" or "global warning", runs acacia records.

Nidia Minaj is great, Principe Discos crew

xp

is she still active?

she pops up on the radar from time to time, but she is not that active.
she once went up a mountain for 6 months i.e. the label/music is not the top groove for her these days.
and yes, the david morley collabs are fantastic.

Let me do that again with tracks:

Ziur
https://soundcloud.com/planetmurecords/u-feel-anything

E.M.M.A.
https://astralplanerecordings.bandcamp.com/track/glac

Elysia Crampton
https://soundcloud.com/breakworldrecs/the-demon-city

AMAZONDOTCOM
https://soundcloud.com/amazondotcom/tiny-shrimps-dream

Ikonika
https://nervoushorizon.bandcamp.com/track/ikonika-shovel

Zora Jones
https://soundcloud.com/fractalfantasy/ruby-fifths-ft-heavee-zora-jones

Kablam
https://soundcloud.com/janusberlin/kablam-furiosa-janus005

Abyss X
https://soundcloud.com/abyssxxx/nijinskian-ballad

Coucou Chloe
https://soundcloud.com/coucouchloe/doom

Smurphy
https://soundcloud.com/djsmurphy/garden-1

Nidia Minaj
https://principediscos.bandcamp.com/track/da-banda

Peggy Gou rules

Favourites:

Inga copeland
Marie Davidson
Keren gwyer
La vampire
Maria Minerva
Nina kraviz
AGF
Laurel halo

PEGGY GOU

Oh yeah and willow, who has been mentioned. She's the best

Nightwave
https://soundcloud.com/nightwave808/nightwave-wavejumper-fools-gold-records

been enjoying a bunch of amelie lens, sama and charlotte de witte sets recently

enjoyed chloé lula's set on hör berlin yt too (which looks like it was recorded in a toilet? iunno)

Wow this thread sure tells a story

yea a very bad one. the op ... jfc

whoa, this thread started back when blevin and jon l were in a band together ...

and when i used to book their band on the reg

what the heck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Padberg

Fortran!

Fortran Hero

so rad

https://github.com/bgenchel/PyPadberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OAqEgHpR3k

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.04470.pdf

remember last year when nina kraviz was racist and k. hand went to bat for her on twitter? that was weird

https://pitchfork.com/news/pauline-anna-strom-dead-at-74/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Anna_Strom

New BBC Culture article on women composers: Oksana Linde and the forgotten pioneers of electronic music

waiting for another Karen Gwyer, hoped this thread bump would be that!

also my god that aya record im hole is outstanding

[MOD NOTE: TRANSPHOBIC BULLSHIT REDACTED]

what the fuck are you talking about, get the fuck out of here.

Uh. Yeah can we not be transphobic please.

if that fucking dickhead isn't perma-banned very fast I'm going to be having words

"Barging into this thread only to say that I wish both Solex and Mira Calix would release more albums (yes I know they're still working, but still)"

Alas Mira Calix passed away in March. I remember liking Skimskitta but I always wondered if she was a pseudonym for someone else on Warp. It turns out that she helped keep the label running in the background, which is why she had such a spartan discography. I was going to say "she was the only woman on the Artificial Intelligence compilations" but she wasn't actually on the Artificial Intelligence compilations. She was on Blech II.

Radio 3 did a tribute, now sadly unavailable:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0015v5h

Just for fun I remember going through the roster of Mille Plateaux Records and City Centre Offices and and Fax Records and counting all of the female musicians and "not British, German, or Japanese" musicians, and giving up because there weren't any. Which is probably true of any cross-section of heavy metal labels, but this music was supposed to be progressive.

It struck me as a kid that literally all of the acts on the European Warp equivalents* etc were male twentysomething graphic design students who spent their lives flying between Tokyo, Berlin, and London, which I suppose was a kind of wish-fulfillment fantasy if you were a teenager back then but ye gods a lot of that music is generic and indistinguishable from itself nowadays.

* Warp itself has working-class people, so it doesn't quite count.

Sky Arts showed Sisters With Transistors on friday which was a good watch, all the early female pioneers in original footage. (everything else they showed is being repeated throughout the week but i can't see a repeat for this before friday)

couple of new names to me: clara rockmore and maryanne amacher, the latter of who wins for noticeably scaring thurston moore.

(although both are mentioned upthead)

I’m sure I used to “play out” Amacher’s ear dances at our old Greenwich gatherings, koogs. Good way to clear the room at the end of the evening.

oh and there is a new Karen Gwyer! It’s under Karen Lee Gwyer on Bandcamp. Solid albeit nothing startling.

I feckin' missed most of it because I was watching Match of the Day!

had a look in programme guide and listings for a repeat of the Sisters with Transistors and can't see one 8(

if you can remember the old Greenwich gatherings you weren't really there. or you left early to get back to the other side of london before the rave music started.

https://archive.org/details/delia.-derbyshire.-the.-myths.and.the.-legendary.-tapes

This is the only way I can find to watch the Cosey Fanni Tutti Delia Derbyshire movie since it left the BBC site

FWIW, there's a 1080p encoding easily found on the dark net.

Sisters with Transistors is repeated tonight on sky arts, Freeview ch11, 00:40

should be earlier imo but they are busy with Floyd, byrds, Stevie Nick's and numnah from 18:00

(numan)