Beth Gibbons & Rustin' Man - Out Of Season

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i agree with sean, fritz. and you? well, give it a once over and make your own decision. beyond 'tom the model', the fifth song, 'romance', rips off billie holliday's sound - but so what. the album may not be beth's meisterwerk but if you like portishead, buy - dare i say download - it.

jason elliott, Thursday, 5 December 2002 05:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

hmmm... what a dilemma. curt and sean disagree. what to do? seriously, you 2 are both always on the money.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 5 December 2002 05:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

(no offense jason...you may well be an on the money type too)

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 5 December 2002 05:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm always changing my mind about new releases, so this could turn out to be one. I'll give it another try, but it sure wasn't doing it for me earlier.

Curt (cgould), Thursday, 5 December 2002 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been listening to it a lot in the last couple of weeks and it sounds great to me.

And jason's right about 'Romance' sounding like Billie Holliday, but I like the fact that she's happy to pastiche different vocal styles and play around with things vocally. It's one of the things that really distinguishes it from a Portishead record.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 5 December 2002 10:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Mysteries' is very nice

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 5 December 2002 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whoever said she's more an actress than a singer was bang on. Highly recommended.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 December 2002 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like it lots mostly except for the steep import price. it actually feels quite liberated divorced from the Portishead sound, I think I prefer her sadness in this more unadulterated uncompromised mode. It was an album that grew considerably for me and got under my skin over time.

Honda (Honda), Thursday, 5 December 2002 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is this coming out in the U.S. or what?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 December 2002 04:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm listening to it now! it was only $15.98 at Amoeba btw.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 6 December 2002 04:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Remember to skip track 4! *shudder*

Curt (cgould), Friday, 6 December 2002 04:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

ten months pass...
Revive only to mention how much I love this album. And how could almost a year have gone by since it came out? I met a smartly-dressed couple a few nights ago who turned out to have just come from Beth Gibbons' show... I forgot about it. I wanted to go, but they said she was fantastic, which was good to hear. Anyway, 'small' albums like this need to get more attention so here it is.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 06:10 (twenty years ago) link

I love it too.

As I tried -- fairly awkwardly -- to say in this update last year. Apologies in advance for that cliché in the final sentence, but I really wanted (and still want) more people to hear this album. Anyone who hears MOR/AOR on Out of Season isn't listening past the first layer.


David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 09:16 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, missed the LA show -- a clutch of us at the library wanted to go but work schedules (they mostly work night shifts) meant it wasn't going to happen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 October 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

Might be a good time to pick up a used import CD, as the domestic (US) version that recently came out contains a video that you can live without, and one bonus track that's a cover (Candy Says). I wouldn't be surprised to see the imports popping up on eBay/half.com as people upgrade to the new version.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 28 October 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
The candy says cover isn't all that great, it's nice and all, but it's unnecessary when you could just listen to the original. The video too isn't much. But the rest is super!

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 4 December 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Looks like it's the old thread revive! What do people think of this 2 years on? We like to throw it on every couple months. A great late evening record, low lights, red wine and the like. Agree with whoever said that Gibbons is more interesting to listen to without the Portishead sound. That said, am looking forward to another Portishead release, rumoured for 2005 if not mistaken.

PiersT, Monday, 7 February 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

it's still gorgeous and I wish she'd do another

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 7 February 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I fucking love this record. The production is amazing - those "oohs" and "aahs" on "Mysteries" are so... Botticelli, y'know?

Forget Zero 7 / Lemon Jelly / Sia / Susannah + Magic Orchestra etc etc - all that female-fronted chill-out shit really is as bad as you think, but this is something very different and very special, in my ears.

I think it's up there with anything by Portishead and Talk Talk, which is no meat feat, eh.

Huey (Huey), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

If I'd got my arse in gear to nominate for the 00s poll, "mysteries" would have been my nomination. I don't think another song has affected me in quite the same way in recent years.

The rest of it, beyond "tom the model", I don't remember. I've played the first song a lot, and the rest very infrequently. Also, most of it feels like an Autumn album, so its erm...out of season.. at the moment.

I was thinking about this album earlier, actually. About time it had another play.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 7 February 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I still feel the love for this album, most definitely.

David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I'm redisovering this lately. Didn't do much the first time around, but it now sounds pretty great although so relentlessly bitter that i can only sip it in small doses.

Baaderonixx born in Xyxax (baaderonixx), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

this is a really pretty record.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish they'd do a follow up.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been thinking about this album today (not playing it, just thinking about it) so its interesting to see this thread re-emerge.

Is it the drizzle and the damp, do you think?

Fantastic album. I think "mysteries" is still my favourite song of the 00s so far.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I love this album. One of the best of the 'new folk' thing, although it is rarely mentioned in that context.
I tend to play it with Mark Hollis' solo album. It has the same kind of feel: it puts flesh on the bare bones he created.

bham, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The album has been sitting in my desk for two years. It's there now. I played it 5-6 times two years ago when I got it, and not since. No track stands out in my memory at all, and I tend to like atmospheric trip-hoppy stuff a lot. (I got Juana Molina's Segundo at the same time, and have played it 100s of times, along with her later Tres. Same ballpark, much better game.)

Vornado, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Could anybody please YSI that 'Candy Says' cover/bonus track for a poor European? Thanks.

Ben (crispyben), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree! Juana Molina is in a much different ballpark than "Out of Season" (I like both very much). Molina is woozy/dreamy/droney, whle Gibbons has the cabaret/pop element, and much stronger pipes, which determines a lot of what she does musically. Most of that album has very little to do with trip-hop.

When I heard Portishead were working on a new album, my first thought was that I'd much rather hear a new Gibbons solo album.

Then "Candy Says" cover sucks, though.

These Robust Cookies (Robust Cookies), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

so today i dug this out along with the Mark Hollis album.
did the all important ILM search only to find that I am not alone in putting these 2 albums together.
i suspect that out of season is going to get a lot of love during this week of late shifts.

mark e, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I just bought this over the weekend! It sounded great last night.

f. hazel, Monday, 31 March 2008 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

this is where i admit that i only just bought the old portishead albums last week.

mark e, Monday, 31 March 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Amazing how people can buy albums which aren't out for another four weeks.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 09:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Amazing how people lack basic reading comprehension.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link

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Stevie T, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link

To be honest that was a gaffe and a haffe.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 10:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Dingbod Gaffney's Gaffes.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link

The James Yorkston/Rustin Man album of a year or two ago is pretty good too. Again, a similar Talk Talk-ish feel.

bham, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 13:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I love this record but, for me, it's not a Spring or Summer record. It's a bit out of season for this. This is a classic late Autumn record. A chill in the air, a sweater, some crunchy leaves, etc.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link

exactly, I first heard this in November, in London, and nothing could be more perfect

akm, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I love this record. Anybody knows where to find a vinyl copy of it? Or has a spare copy I could get you rid of?

Moka, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

what a great album.
genuine shiver-up-the-spine moments throughout.

mark e, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

New solo album forthcoming:

http://pitchfork.com/news/51147-portisheads-beth-gibbons-to-release-new-solo-album-on-domino/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link

let's hope for harris/webb involvement!

folsom country prism (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link

psyyyyched

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link

Great news! Probably means the Portishead album is still another five years away but hey, she hasn't an album that's less than great so hopefully this one will be too.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 22:21 (ten years ago) link

Apparently Billy Gibbons is taking her place in Rustin Man.

henry s, Thursday, 13 June 2013 02:57 (ten years ago) link

Could be challops but 'Out of Season' has more replay value for me than any Portishead album.

Moka, Thursday, 13 June 2013 05:49 (ten years ago) link

i agree, and i'm v much looking forward to the new one

lex pretend, Thursday, 13 June 2013 07:02 (ten years ago) link

i'm with moka re 'out of season'

mark e, Thursday, 13 June 2013 07:16 (ten years ago) link

also yes if I heard this out somewhere I would have assumed it was a Robert Wyatt album I'd never heard before. Finally gave the whole thing a listen, excellent.

akm, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link

I'd love to know what's prompted him to record another album at this point. Perhaps Bowie and the thought of his own morality.

'The World's In Town' is still so new, but such an amazing song. . . it doesn't even seem real at this point.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 1 February 2019 23:10 (five years ago) link

from what I can glean he has been making the album for many years and he wanted to play most parts himself so learned a lot of instruments well enough to be able to play them and recorded the requisite parts over a long period of time then assembled and mixed them into tracks.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:13 (five years ago) link

here it is

"Apparently he wanted to learn the assorted instruments he plays on it well enough to be comfortable recording himself, and had to build up the arrangements as his capabilities increased. Each instrument’s contribution to the album was recorded in turn, rather than track by track"

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/feb/01/rustin-man-drift-code-review

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 2 February 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link

Ah so Lee Harris plays on there!

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 2 February 2019 02:15 (five years ago) link

“Robert Wyatt sings Blackstar” is eerily spot-on. It’s actually a bit distracting at first, like when you watch Christian Slater and it takes a few minutes to spot Christian Slater behind the guy practicing his Nicholson impression in the bathroom mirror.

That said I love the shit out of this

gray say nah to me (wins), Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone heard Beth Gibbons & The Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra - Henryk Górecki: Symphony No. 3 (Symphony Of Sorrowful Songs)?

djh, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:58 (five years ago) link

cOMES OUT ON fRIDAY, i THINK. mY COPY IS ALLegedly in the post, sorry caps lock falure.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 25 March 2019 21:58 (five years ago) link

Possible I'm being a dick but the Youtube "teaser" didn't really, um, tease enough to prompt a purchase.

djh, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

whoa this record

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

the new rustin man i mean, though out of season rules

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link

its amazing that he was learning all to play all the instruments on this album as he made it

. (Michael B), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

This is definitely one of the best folk records ever recorded, but somehow it slipped under my radar untill recently.

nostormo, Saturday, 11 January 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link

Drift Code has been growing on me gradually over the last year, at the moment I'm listening to little else.

fetter, Saturday, 11 January 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link

drift code would be nice if he would not sing. his voice really sounds like an old man without any teeth left. it reminds me of robert wyatt but i love wyatt's voice. the main difference being that webb's voice is about two octaves lower and so absolutely unmusical. just terrible. besides that a fine album for sure.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 11 January 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link

One hell of a "besides"..

nostormo, Saturday, 11 January 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link

I listen to Out of Season all the time.

akm, Saturday, 11 January 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link

I like him, he sounds like David Bowie combined with Edward Ka-Spel

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 January 2020 23:13 (four years ago) link

One hell of a "besides"..

― nostormo,

lol, right?

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 12 January 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link

I'm actually laughing like fuck at that post and your response.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 12 January 2020 01:03 (four years ago) link

Yeah, classic excelsior

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 12 January 2020 09:04 (four years ago) link

I love his voice. "Drift Code" is easily the best album of the year for me.

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 12 January 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link

I don't love his voice, but there's definitely some interesting tension between the big pop moments on this record--like, say, the chorus of Our Tomorrows, or the climax of The World's in Town--and the vehicle chosen to deliver those payoff moments, which plays a large part of what makes the album memorable for me

a thousand keening bullshit-detectors (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 12 January 2020 10:13 (four years ago) link

This hasn't really clicked for me until today. The Wyatt thing is clear but, if anything, it reminds me of a muted Super Furries or even Gorky's.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Sunday, 12 January 2020 11:25 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

It took a while to make the first album, the second one seems to have come about a lot quicker: Clockdust, to be released in March!

willem, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link

Das Triadische Ballett on the cover! A very encouraging sign even if this is Bethless.

nashwan, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link

Great news! Live dates too

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Listening to the new album now, feels more restrained but more confident than Drift Codes. Voice perhaps a bit stronger.

fetter, Friday, 20 March 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Clockdust has proved to be a lockdown staple for me, I prefer it to Drfit Code. Also being listening a lot to the first Orang album which has recently appeared on Spotify (or maybe I just couldn't find it before - Orang is not the most searchable name). Beth Gibbons appears on it, pre-Portishead (I think).

fetter, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 13:54 (three years ago) link

completely missed that coming out, so looking forward to giving it a listen.

akm, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link

sheesh, i completely missed it too.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

finally getting to this. even on first impression, i have to agree with fetter: it feels more immediately unified and reassured than drift code — and i thought that album was fantastic. however, clockdust definitely seems like it's of a part with drift code; like he's been making these orchestral, vaguely folky recordings in private for the past two decades or so and what's on these albums is just what he's chosen to let the rest of the world hear. and who knows how many more of these easily digestible, endlessly rewarding fourty minute albums he seems to just have laying around, waiting to be assembled.

it's very comfortable music that is simultaneously mystifying in the most charming way.

thanks for the revive, fetter. probably would have passed me by otherwise.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

also "night in evening city" is absolutely perfect.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 16 August 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

after a few listens, i simultaneously love and hate how this ends with the psychedelic buzzing chorus of "man with a remedy." i want there to be something else after the song just falls apart. . . like a short reprise of "rubicon song" or something else that closes the deal more resoundingly. the way it ends as is very much feels like a cliffhanger.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 16 August 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link

also "night in evening city" is absolutely perfect.

oh yeah, definitely. I've read he was in a "reggae band" before Talk Talk - you can almost hear it here.

fetter, Monday, 17 August 2020 12:12 (three years ago) link

I've never heard an artist sound more like another artist (Robert Wyatt, voice obviously, but even melodic approach and overall aesthetic) and yet be SO FANTASTIC. I mean--I think even Mr. Wyatt would have to tip his hat.

I just found out he already has a second album out, so that's the listening docket for the evening. Very excited.

Soundslike, Saturday, 29 August 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link

agreed. you'll love clockdust. i like it even more than the first one.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 29 August 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

New album on the way, and a lovely first track has already appeared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldrx0eSqV-E

fetter, Friday, 9 February 2024 12:41 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

reminds me of sandy denny.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 25 March 2024 00:08 (three weeks ago) link

Good song.

sawdust lagoon, Monday, 25 March 2024 10:14 (three weeks ago) link


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