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hey. I emailed w/ Dave back and forth a few times, I think I just left it at "let me know if I can help you in any way and you know where to find me..." kind of thing. I have to check. I've been busy trying to find time to follow-up on another several dozen reissue projects, half of which seem in permanent limbo, the other half waiting for me to get my act together, in addition to everything else. I actually quit my job to freelance to try to find more time for this stuff and somehow have less time. But I should definately follow up with him.

TV appearance? I'll be contacting you off-list!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I think it was T.S. Eliot who said that what is important is that good poems get written, not who writes them. I think there is something to be said for this statement when translated into music terms. For instance, by recording the songs and putting them out, the Desperate Bicycles DID make their music public domain, which is not to say anything in support of bootlegging. I agree with the statement that the more widely available something is for free, the less people will get it bootlegged. All this becomes somewhat moot when a reissue is released, at which point most who really enjoy the music should realize buying it is only right.

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 06:42 (eighteen years ago) link

god bless you mr. erdman

corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 08:35 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Interesting snippet for anyone interested. The names on the back cover include my girlfriend at the time. She is in the second column, second name down. I heard them on John Peel and sent money for the disc in her name, as a thank you they printed names of early buyers. I wonderwhere she is now.. I wish her well.

bradlen, Thursday, 19 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
some one is now selling cd's on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150103733422
downloading is one thing. this band will never be reissued. they're music was "of the time", and now its available for free to whom it may interest.
now somebody is trying to make a buck of it.
this is such shit.

Eugene S. Huckleberry, Monday, 19 March 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this was my first post on ILM and like many first posters I was needlessly snotty to Dan, who is obv. .a great guy and does a pretty good job of defending his viewpoint above, after I left the thread in a huff. Because I have mostly traded other collectors for stuff over the years I forget how prevalent bootlegging is. Being part of certain torrent mailing lists and reading comments on MP3 blogs has made me much more conscious of how much this shit shows up on eBay. I still think we have philosophical differences but when his label can't afford to release CDs anymore those are some IRL consequences.

sleeve, Monday, 19 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh, this band is not good. I think the only reason anyone is interested in them is because they 'do not want their music released.'

Richard Wood Johnson, Thursday, 22 March 2007 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh, this band is not good. I think the only reason anyone is interested in them is because they 'do not want their music released.'

fixed it for you, bro!

pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, that ebay listing is exactly what I was affraid of. That artwork? It was an assignment for a letterpress printing class I took 6 years ago. Notice the Acute catalog number and link to my old geocities website with my name on it? I printed maybe 50 or 100 of those by hand, burned the CD from my ripped vinyl and gave it away and traded it with people, stupidly assuming this wouldn't happen. Obviously as you can see above, at some point I expected it to happen. I'd certainly feel better if my name wasn't on it.

dan selzer, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I emailed the eBay seller and he said it was removed 3 days ago due to a request from a bandmember. On my birthday of all days. Apologies to the Desperate Bicycles...

dan selzer, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Right, so will Ricky Gervaise contact him regarding one of his other 'items for sale'?

Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

you'd think London Records would have rushed out a Seona Dancing cd collection...

dan selzer, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

but is it funny?

Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

so what is the band's explanation of not wanting their shit released? Is it embarrassment?

Richard Wood Johnson, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:41 (seventeen years ago) link

For many reasons, they are one of the greatest bands ever.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I respect artist's rights to have control over their music, and refuse to reissue it, but I also reserve the right to think they are twats for doing so.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it embarrassment?

No, the Embarrassment had a 2 cd compilation on Bar None a few years ago, that may still be in print.

There may be different members of the band who don't get along, that's a common reason bands don't want their music reissued. Some artists see the music as so much a part of it's time that they have little interest in revisiting the past. As someone who runs a reissue label, I can tell you there are plenty of artists who think the past is the past and should stay that way.

But I think enough people genuinely love the Desperate Bicycles for their music that your attempts at calling us disingenuous is pretty week.

dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

>> the Embarrassment had a 2 cd compilation on Bar None a few years ago, that may still be in print.

Sadly it isn't and goes for $$$ on Ebay. I've been trying to get it for ages.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 23 March 2007 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe they or someone else will re-do it...I think the mastering was really weird on it, sounded a bit tinny. The second CD was in my discman when it was stolen out of my house. They've played a few times and someone's working on a movie about them, so I'm sure somebody will get the CD back out.

dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

It wasn't the mastering Dan - at least nout entirely - so much as that they rather foolishly remixed a lot of the tracks and added new weird parts in the studio. And it was way inferior to what was there in the first place.

deedeedeextrovert, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I've only heard the Heyday CD...I'll definitely have to check out the originals.

dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the tape on Fresh Sounds is the thing to get, so good!

sleeve, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry if this is selfish but I have read about this band so often in books on Punk etc. and alwayswanted to hear some of their stuff. Didn´t know that their stuff never made it to CD. Kept writing to Captain Oi and other reissue labels like GTA or Overground but to no avail. When I saw that someone had posted the files I almost had tears in my eyes. So I finally at least can die in peace having finally heard "The Medium was Tedium" and its B-Side "Don´t Back the Front". Thank you
Robert

Robert Laversuch, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I bought these vinyl releases when they first came out. I was amazed hen they played a benefit concert in my then hometown of Bristol - had an inspirring talk with them afterwards.

A quarter of a century later + after moving through 2 continents it's great to hear the songs that still float around in one's head...

Many thanks!

Rhodri Kasperbauer

kasperbauer, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:34 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

eww, this music is fucking shite. there's no reason to hear this bollocks except the fact that someone doesn't want you to hear it. brilliant marketing move, laddies.

i love this pretentious existential explanation for the band:
"The Desperate Bicycles were formed for the specific purpose of recording and releasing a single on their own label."

Not to make good music, not to express anything relevant, but simply to release an album. Yes, this has encouraged me to go buy an excessively large Hummer and drive it around just because.

res, Saturday, 21 June 2008 20:06 (fifteen years ago) link

i'd say "advice on arrest" definitely expresses something relevant, and far from existential or pretentious. try actually listening to them next time.

r1o natsume, Saturday, 21 June 2008 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

What's really cool about music is that sometimes some people like it, while other people don't. A little respect for other people's taste and opinions goes a long way. They wrote tons of great songs that mean a lot to a lot of people. It's fine if you don't like them, and I guess it's silly for me to argue on the internet about stuff like this.

It was a pretty big deal, a big conceptual leap back then, that you could just put out a record. They had that idea and decided to do it. It was an influential move, but unlike the bulk of their followers, the music was also fantastic and they continued to write songs, released a few more singles and an LP. Most of it is pretty good to completely awesome, in my opinion, if not yours.

And I like it just because.

dan selzer, Saturday, 21 June 2008 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the thread that is mentioned in the page at the top of the thread that doesn't work when you click on the link on that page?

Because if it is, he's right, it is interesting.

I remember buying the second single from my local record shop and cursing the fact that you must have either lived next to Rough Trade or been a friend of the band to get the first single. Certainly had no chance getting it out in the sticks. It's good to hear it again after all these years.

Ned Trifle II, Saturday, 2 August 2008 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Dug this up for the first time in probably 4 years? Totally enjoying "Cars"

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

"Holidays" is easily one of my favorite songs of all time. Can't get enough of it.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm at the "Grief Is Very Private" single and it's quite exceptional. I'm surprised at how fucking good this is.

"lol" as frivolity (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

There's a Lusty Ghosts song toward the end of this podcast..!

http://www.slumberlandrecords.com/extras/podcast/27

prior, Thursday, 10 June 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

the "article" I wrote for Swingset Magazine in 2004:

http://swingsetmagazine.com/2012/06/xerox_music_is_here_to_stay/

I may update it one day with newer info, links, color photos etc, and post to the Acute site, but for now you can look at this and learn nothing new.

dan selzer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

Dan, I don't know if it's already been addressed, but do you have the Evening Outs single and the Peel Sessions of the Desperate Bicycles on your burned CDs and if so, is it possible to receive any copies?

MaRK A Gjr, Saturday, 23 June 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

the desperate bicycles 7"s were all recently bootlegged with added bonus peel sessions tracks added. no sign of a 'remorse code' bootleg though.

stirmonster, Sunday, 24 June 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

and, great article, dan.

stirmonster, Sunday, 24 June 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks. Hopefully I'll do the updated version eventually.

I have the Evening Outs single and the Peel Sessions. Neither were on the original burned CDs.

dan selzer, Monday, 25 June 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

Mark, when you email people via ilx, you have to include an email address so they can write back!

dan selzer, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 12:22 (eleven years ago) link

got the 4 "reissue" 7"s today
first single is Smokescreen/Handlebars on one side & Occupied Territory/Skill on the other, 2 great singles for the price of one.
second single is Medium Was Tedium/Don't Back The Front on one side & 2 tracks from a Peel Session on the other, a slower & more together sounding version of Smokescreen & (i'm assuming) Teacher's Prayer (the sleeve & label have no info at all!)
third & fourth singles are pretty straight repros of New Cross & Grief Is Very Private with sleeves changed/added. have to say stylophone/bass/drums is a great idea for a band lineup.

zappi, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Rough Trade (and a few other places) are currently selling copies of the Remorse Code LP which are supposedly from a legit warehouse find. It's £24.99. I bought one but I'm now wondering if I'm just falling for a ruse to sell a bootleg at an inflated price.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 09:31 (ten years ago) link

"warehouse find" often means bootleg but it seems odd that rough trade would go to the length of saying These albums look and play as new but you have to remember they are from 33 years ago. You will not find a better copy if they weren't genuine. do you have a copy or are you waiting for it to arrive? the 7"s that were bootlegged have a sheen on the sleeves that the originals didn't have and this might be the case with this if it isn't actually original.

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 09:42 (ten years ago) link

i just bought one so i guess i'll find out soon enough.

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 09:49 (ten years ago) link

not sure who actually found them but Paco from La Vida Es Un Mus was selling these online the other day. would be p surprised if he was engaging in any underhand monkey business. decided not to buy one cos I can't rly justify (to myself) either spending that much on an LP or flipping it for a profit

when I was Ted Croker man I couldn't picture this (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 October 2013 09:53 (ten years ago) link

Paco sells bootlegs all the time but I guess he doesn't normally claim they aren't bootlegs, just doesn't mention that at all.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 10:00 (ten years ago) link

yeah that's what I figure

when I was Ted Croker man I couldn't picture this (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 October 2013 10:07 (ten years ago) link

Oh, to Stirmonster - no I don't have the copy yet, I just ordered it via mail order.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 11:13 (ten years ago) link

I was sorely tempted, but since I found that VU single I've been, um, sort of, is 'satisfied' the right word?

Mark G, Friday, 11 October 2013 11:46 (ten years ago) link

...aaaand order cancelled as product is no longer available

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 11 October 2013 13:01 (ten years ago) link

same here.

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 13:02 (ten years ago) link

and sold out everywhere else too. bah!

stirmonster, Friday, 11 October 2013 13:03 (ten years ago) link


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