mountaineering

aha, the climb i was thinking of was The Promise, just done by James Pearson, at E10 7a, with a V11 crux. The only gear is a single #1 slider nut in a shallow pocket, over a boulder-strewn landing.

apparently the hardest route on gritstone (but maybe not the hardest in the world)

http://www.monsteroffwidth.com/climbing/20030413-indian_creek/image/crw_a0512_rj.jpg

supercrack!

I got really fucking bored with gritstone climbing, I hate jamming, however raves in gritstone quarries and midnight sieging cracks= rock.

bored with grit?? i've never climbed it, but i've always heard it was interesting, if only because there was so little pro

Devil's Tower!

http://www.onsight.com.au/gallery/temp/images/11%20big1.jpg

whipper!

http://www.onsight.com.au/gallery/temp/images/155%20100%20X2.jpg

the Totem Pole!

http://www.onsight.com.au/gallery/temp/images/400%20300%2004.jpg

http://www.onsight.com.au/gallery/temp/images/400%20408%2008.jpg

http://www.onsight.com.au/gallery/temp/pages/400%20001%20X1.htm

http://www.onsight.com.au/gallery/temp/images/400%20001%20X1.jpg

I studied in Sheffield and climbed grit a lot. Grit is great if you like short techincal routes, lots of standing on edges, jamming, hang off your finger tips etc. but there is basically nothing that you can't top rope to practice before leading . I like longer multi-pitches on easy routes, hanging belays a bit more in terms of jugs to pull yourself up on, give me a gabro slab any day.

Exum Ridge on the Grand Teton

http://www.summitpost.org/images/original/178408.jpg

xp oh that's totally 8080. i like hard stuff, for sure, but cruisy multipitch routes are the best

exum being the definition of a cruisy multipitch route!

Fuck know what I;d be like now, I am older and fatter.

hey river wolf, yep, that picture brings back horrible memories. I *hated* Wall Street, the part where you switch directions and there's a brief overhang was a nightmare for me as I'm kind of scared of heights and you are really, really, really exposed on Grand Teton for a while there. I'm not a technical climber really, just went to climbing school for a week on site with my Dad and the guides to prepare for the Grand Teton ascent. On Wall Street I got "sewing machine leg" a few times and had to fight to control myself mentally and physically. But, whoah, the rappel down the Teton is awesome, it's like some serious James Bond movie shit, way fun and seems to go on forever!

wow, this thread is giving me one of those "what the fuck have I done with my life" mindbenders. That is so awesome you made it to ABC on Everest, Drew.

Thirding the request for Drew to post some pictures somewhere. I'm in respect of anyone that makes it to ABC.

A podcast I've been addicted to is The Rest Of Everest which documents much of the minutia of a large scale Everest expedition: hauling stuff, dealing with trash, hauling stuff, acclimatizing, hauling stuff, bribing off Chinese soldiers, hauling stuff, etc. It's rough style is a great contrast to the heroic IMAX-knockoffs that make up most of the mountain documentaries. One entire episode was about the base camp latrine, so that should give you an idea.

wow, this thread is giving me one of those "what the fuck have I done with my life" mindbenders.

tell me about it. i've been futzing around in school and shit, while my buddy from college is globe-trotting and doing nasty shit in the big ranges.

w/r/t "the other side" of climbing -- i've always been interested in that, too. i remember an article in Climbing about Mt. Kenya; the climb was almost secondary to the unbelievable shit dudes had to go through just to get there.

Ok, I will look for some pictures. I brought one of those throwaway "panorama" cameras and it's grainy but it kind of works to convey the ABC experience. I remember just shivering in my full down suit inside a sleeping bag while rolling a hot water thermos across my face over and over all night to stop my skin from stiffening up because it was just . . . . so . . . . COLD.

actually im terrified of heights. not such a good hobby for me to pursue.

love the pics ,tho!

guys, thailand:

http://ksp.pzs.si/images/Thailand/thai18.jpg

sardinia!

http://www.climbonline.co.uk/photogallery/europe/sardinia/Cala-Luna.jpg

(not really "mountaineering," per se, but wtf i will hang out on all this beaches, climbing in the sun)

http://www.iit.edu/~andejoe1/Rockguide/images/gallery3.GIF

durrr, here i am in high school

Separate Reality (which is as real as it gets)

http://pbpl.physics.ucla.edu/~hristo/Separate%20Reality.jpg

a climb only possible after the invention of cams, i think? (ditto all of indian creek)

plz more pictures of blonde hot stuff climber dude kthx bye

HI DREW

http://pbpl.physics.ucla.edu/~hristo/trad/SR1.jpg

http://pbpl.physics.ucla.edu/~hristo/elcap/half%20dome.jpg

lol beefcake

http://pbpl.physics.ucla.edu/~hristo/elcap/Salathe%20Wall.jpg

haha i've got pants just like dude on the right

Thanks for the beefcake bro. Sad to see Badakov's not a natural blonde. *cries*

i think maybe i need to post more pictures of actual alpine climbing, hmmmm

http://www.brianpostphoto.com/images/rapidtransitcathedral.jpg

http://www.alpine-guides.com/images/alpine%20tech%20alpine%20course.jpg

http://www.umich.edu/~climbing/images/ice.jpg

mixed climbing is fucking terrifying

http://www.dave-stephens.com/iceclimbing/banff/johnsoncanyon/johnsoncanyon06.jpg

barf

http://www.alpinedave.com/ice/source_lake_mixed/M7_loren_lead2.jpg

http://www.waltonsmountains.com/ice/VI0303.jpg

hardest shit in the world (The Wheel of Life V16)

http://daihold.com/gallery/Australia/TheWheelOfLifeV16-3.jpg

http://daihold.com/gallery/Australia/AmmagammaV13-2.jpg

TS: canyoneering vs mountaineering.
canyoneering=a few moments of adrenaline-pumping fear interspersed amongst much fun. less awesome. less of a sense of accomplishment.
mountaineering=haven't done much really but what i've heard makes it sound pretty hellish, with the main plus being being able to say you've done it.

I can't find any pictures of it, but the maddest climbing I've done is climbing the south coast chalk cliffs. This are generally done with ice climbing boots, crampons and axes, using warthogs for protection. There is something indelibly daft about stomping down the prom at saltdean in short t-shirt, plastic boots and a belt full of axes and spiky protection.

Talking of Mixed Climbing, Scottish Grade III provides some of the most fun you can have in the mountains.

i'm interested in both canyoneering and mountaineering, but the latter seems more compelling, maybe simply because you're going up rather than down (because being above everything is more interesting than getting into a secret place? don't think that's it, really. i'll leave the freudian stuff to someone else). maybe also because you feel like your body is better protected on the mountain, ie more clothing/gear?

both interest me more than rock climbing alone because both are much more likely to allow me to see something/get somewhere i couldn't otherwise. the sense of accomplishment of ringing the bell (like i'm gonna free climb) is pretty great, i guess, but maybe i'm less into that sort of thing, and i'd rather play with words when problem-solving. plus i'm unlikely to develop the arm strength. is there a term of art for post-climb claw-hands?

If the rest of mountaineering gear is as awesome as crampons and ice axes, then cayoneering isn't even on the same page.

i suppose my conception of mountaineering is totally ignoring crevasses

you can avoid crevasses and still have a lot of fun with crampons and ice axes though...do a winter summit of Mt. Washington is where I did that. Mountaineering gear is so Batman.

i've always thought ice axes and crampons were pretty cool, despite not being a gearhead of any kind. maybe i just thought they went well with the outfit.

I'm kind of fascinated with the Southwest and canyons, mazes of buttes, boulder fields, all kinds of geology that's super visible out there b/c of the lack of topsoil & vegetation. But that's largely due to the greatness of a writer named Craig Childs. Also because people have historically LIVED there and learned to live with the landscape instead of against it (because otherwise you might died) and you can apparently sometimes find their routes if you know what you're looking for -- cf stories of reaching down off an edge and having to commit yr weight to the existence of a handhold and then realizing there's a measured sequence of hand- and footholds all the way down, carved hundreds of years ago.

never heard of this Craig Childs. this book might interest you.

Ed, did you ever climb the chalk cliffs of Eastbourne, or Beachy Head? I read this history of Beachy Head and it mentions some wild stuff about how dangerous chalk surfaces are, how these "fingers" of chalk break off and form highly unstable towers. Was that going on the faces you climbed?

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rock n' roll, dudes.