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*running Logic Audio ~~and~~ OR Pro Tools LE*

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― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the best way to roll back to 10.4.6? Do I have to reinstall Tiger and then find the combo upgrade to 10.4.6 somewhere?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Sadly, yes, although the 10.4.6 Combo Upgrade is still on the Apple site:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1046comboforppc.html

A "rollback" option would be sweet, wouldn't it?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

"flair"

alba, tiger has "spotlight" which is still a little too slow but is cool cos it indexes like everything on your hard drive including mail, address book, the contents of word docs, etc - i like it a lot

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I guess there is that. I haven't used it much so far. I used to use the Search thing on previous OS X versions that did the same thing but not as well (and if I needed to search Mail I used Mail's search). I don't often need to search for things on my HD. I guess if I rely on Spotlight then I might start using my computer differently and use it more. Dunno.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"flair"

God damn it, you're right.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

A "rollback" option would be sweet, wouldn't it?

can "time machine" do that??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The word "whinge" doesn't really exist in most of north america, or at least isn't used at all. I've never heard it in my life.

I'm guilty of iPhoto use, mostly to batch unload photos before uploading to flickr. iTunes as well, although the rest of the iLife stuff I barely touch. I have no idea what people have against Dashboard though, I've only ever had one widget that ate memory and even know a few people who use konfabulator on their pcs for a similar deal...

Conflating Spotlight and Quicksilver is kind of dumb when you're talking about a full-filesystem search versus whatever you have Quicksilver set to index. QS works great if I know what I'm running, Spotlight is nice if I'm just searching for a file.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

The overarching point of my argument is that Apple is headed in a shitty direction, putting a LOT of effort into weird, proprietary "idiotproof" (the i's hidden meaning revealed!) toy apps, and if build quality/ "it just works" goes away there's nothing here to make me stick around. Doctorow + Pilgrim have made some very convincing arguments for OSS, esp. on Ubuntu - problem being Ableton doesn't run on any of that crap.

Faulty RAM stick finally replaced, I have eschewed Mail, Dashboard, and a host of other worthless garbage from my Applications folder and used Spotlight (ahoy!) to find and destroy their families. Now to download this Cog business, and Transmission, and Fugu all over again, and get to business.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I've started using iView MediaPro as an alternative to iPhoto (which I've never really liked/used). Mainly because it lets you easily keyword photos with EXIF tags that are then embedded and yours forever, rather than just letting Flickr keep the data. This can then be used in concert with PictureSync for uploading to Flickr.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

(For those keeping score, Canada != "most of North America", so mike's US-centric argument is factually correct.)

(When ILX goes away, won't you miss me doing annoying shit like this the most?)

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Alba i think what I mean with spotlight is that it saves the step of clicking on your application and then doing whatever search you're gonna do or whatever. I use it to launch programs that aren't in my Dock, for instance. Much faster than clicking onto Finder, selecting Application menu, scrolling, double-clicking.. I know there are other apps that launch programs, but the exact same interface can be used to search mail, addresses, etc. Just start typing a few letters and the shit comes up. So to speak.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I like not having to type anything at all to launch an app, so Thee Method is to drop the Applications folder into the Dock and control-click on it there to turn it into a contextual menu. Even apps nested in folders with support documentation can be gotten at to launch.

― Whitman Mayonnaise (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah. my point is though that you can't use that exact same interface (control-clicking on the dock) to bring up address info, emails, etc. - i am dumm and need ONE thing for EVERYTHING. once i considered writing every single piece of text in a Eudora "new message" window. i thought it might give everything i wrote intimacy and zing.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Much faster than clicking onto Finder, selecting Application menu, scrolling, double-clicking

I put a shortcut to my Applications folder in my dock, then rightclick on it to get access to them all. But yeah, Spotlight's OK.

Anyway, I've gone back to 10.4.0 and all is dandy. Snappy, even. I've got Azureus running in the background and I'd not even noticed. I'll see how it goes and if some app needs a later version and I'm feeling reckless I'll try out the 10.4.6 combo update.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Alba how much memory does yr emac have?

― stet (stet), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Thee Method is to drop the Applications folder into the Dock and control-click on it there to turn it into a contextual menu

http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/Tips/images/startmenu.gif

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

stet - 512MB. I went up from 256MB to 512MB and didn't really notice that much difference so I'm reluctant to spend money on any more.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That's because 512MB still isn't enough for Tiger to run well, in my experience.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh well, it runs OK for me, now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

256 --> 512 = no difference because both are totally insufficient!

― Euai "jon williams" Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Process Viewer not a good guide then, cause I've never seen the total processes in there add up to anything like 512MB RAM? I expect you're both right and you really need 20Ghz of it to even run TextEdit in Tiger, but I've spent enough upgrading my Mac and I'm happy with it now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

20GB, I mean, but not really.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - lol TOMBOT!

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, did you buy the RAM elsewhere than from Mac? They tried to front like it was my RAM last time I went in, and who knows, it could have been a number of things, but that didn't really make sense since I bought it along with my computer and it was installed at the store for me. Then again, they also tried to front like it was because I had folders on desktop god forbid.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually just ordered the extra RAM when I bought it. sheer laziness. I had two folders on the desktop plus a picture of a man singing "do you want some hot ice cream, i got some in my pocket" and they didn't bat an eye.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Alba I will simply repeat this chestnut, from an old sysadmin I once knew: "RAM is like money, you can't have too much of it."

Tom how did they know what he was singing?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

'cause it was in wavy pink block letters superimposed on top of him, you moron.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

we are all jon williams now

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you can have too much money. I'm going to give my RAM to disadvantaged kids.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i'm running mavis beacon on my macbook pro, and presumably because it was written for an earlier version of os x, it doesn't seem to multitask very well. specifically, it lowers the resolution and takes over the whole screen. however, other programs still run ok in the background, so i can listen to music etc etc while i learn to type - but if i want to change the online radio station i'm listening to i have to quit and restart mavis beacon, which is annoying. is there a way around this?

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 4 September 2006 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, i'm clearly an idiot, but i just spent 10 mins trying to find the former hoonja-doonja thread, and i can't. anyone got a link to it?

also - what's a good (free) rss reader for the mac?

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

safari's got one built in if yr running 10.4

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

NetNewsWIre

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry not free

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000337.html

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

some mod took hoonja-doonja out the title, if that helps.
bloglines is good for being multi-platform, and it ties into firefox. NetNewsWire Lite is best free standalone

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

everything shrook related is, well, poxyfooling right now, hehe

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

hoonja-doonja thread:
your favorite little computer program (mac version)

― stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:02 (seventeen years ago) link

NetNewsWire Lite is free. Shrook is, I have to say, better!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Shrook still the metal-interface mess it was? I remember v1 rocking, then it went metal and shit

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I have never really forgiven Andrew for removing "hoonja-doonja" from that thread title.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link

on a tangent, i fucking hate any big software companies that can't be fucked to write universal versions of their not-remotely-obscure apps, yeah i'm looking at you adobe you fucking cunts

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

to be fair UBs are being produced as part of a complete recoding for CS3 and adobe were pretty swift during all of the other transitions apple have undertaken.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah so by the time the next version comes out they've only had 2 years to prepare

even fucking quark can be bothered! FUCKING QUARK!

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

that is somewhat suprising from the company that took, what was it?, three years to produce an OS X version, but maybe they were smart and recoded using XCode rather than sticking with Codewarrior.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

me too, Jtn.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

it also affects macromedia shite as they're adobe now as well...just as well i got me the educational discount version heh heh

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Shrook is brushed metal, yes. That doesn't bother me as much as it does most people, seemingly.

On a related note, can anyone recommend a web-based rss reader that works well on crappy old IE5.2 for Mac, such as I am lumbered with at work.

Orijjin.com is quite good, but on IE5 formatting goes a bit screwy.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

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