Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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>Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie.<

But that's The American Way! Even the earliest books on the first series point out the show is about America in the '60s, esp foreign policy. Kirk = LBJ + JFK's libido...

I was a Trekkie on the original's reruns between ages 10 and 14, including NY conventions (circa '76) where the cast attended, including Shatner and Nimoy. Saw maybe 3 episodes of TNG, did zip for me.

Wrath of Khan's Burger King uniforms: awsum!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I too am so ashamed that I know exactly what they are talking about. And I also like how Ronan digresses to discuss Colm Meaney beyond Star Trek. My brother and I used to buy ST: TNG magazine at Jewel all the time, and discuss the stats of our favorite characters. That's embarrassing.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I played Star Fleet Battles too! WOO! tedious stuff, eh?

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Ronan and Ethan should def. have some sort of Siskel and Ebert type show.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, co-op tv blog please.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

That would be beautiful. Kudos for a fine Nicole idea!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Alan, the PC game Star Fleet Command is based entirely on Star Fleet Battles. It's no longer tedious!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 February 2005 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Looks like the combined effect of 'The Matrix' and reality TV has finally killed off Star Trek, which was something I used to think was one of those untouchable, uncancellable TV franchises.

The biggest problem was that Enterprise was never really Star Trek. Yeah, they reference some of the same things, but to do the prequel they really had to make it more like cowboys in space, which doesn't really touch what I found most attractive about Star Trek. I think they did it to themselves, really, and unfortunately once they came up with the idea that it was a "prequel", there's only so far they could go towards making it more like the other Star Treks we knew and loved, without confusing the timeline, so to speak.

I hope they come up with another Trek series along the lines of Deep Space Nine. Or maybe they could do it as a sitcom: the kinda-dumb Data prototype (from the end of the last movie) stumbles through the future! Laughs ensue!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it could have been good, but they should have made it like it was filmed in the 1950s.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 3 February 2005 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link

this hanle y post is so great, it needs to be re-posted!

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.
-- Mike Hanley (pennyson...), July 24th, 2001.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:24 (fifteen years ago) link

"SIMONTRIFE: we havent even touched on THE HOLODECK
SIMONTRIFE: ryker was always like reenacting the civil war on it
Ronan909: redneck
SIMONTRIFE: and picard did that hilarious film noir detective thing!! what a goober
Ronan909: REG BARCLAY
SIMONTRIFE: honestly, is he like ten??
Ronan909: AKA *******
SIMONTRIFE: hahahaha
SIMONTRIFE: thirty-eight year old virgin
SIMONTRIFE: he was put in so fans could have a relateable character
SIMONTRIFE: 'number one, get me number thirty-eight year old virgin'"

so classic

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 4 February 2005 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Thread is classic. Enterprise was fucking reactionary:

This article summed up a lot of my feelings pretty early on:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020325&s=minkowitz

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 4 February 2005 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
holy crap this thread

jean luc picard motherfucker (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

trife otm

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 19 February 2006 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

MAKE IT BEIGE

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 February 2006 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...
"q theres a line on jay z's the blueprint, it reads simply 'i will not lose ever FUCKER'"

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

the best show

-+-+-++++, Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...
bbc 2 currently showing TOS series 1 and TNG Series 1 on saturday afternoons, some of which i've only seen once, 10 or 15 years ago ("Bonk, Bonk On The Head)". how did they ever think the first episode of TNG was in any way a good episode to show first? and the bridge just looks so empty, especially when looking towards the view screen.

also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A&NR

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I love being reminded of that Ronan/Ethan exchange.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I was thinking about it yesterday while watching the early episode with Worf's babymama (complete with STERN KLINGON PANTSUIT).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Star Trek's ok, I can wtch it happily enough, but there's lots of vastly superior SF out there, mostly in written form. I like the characters and slightly psychadelic feel in the sixties series.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

this = most otm thing ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 6 August 2006 06:09 (fourteen years ago) link

i did enjoy most of the spinoffs but Enterprise was a bridge (ha ha) too far.

there was a time when 3 different series were being shown at 6pm on bbc2 every week, tue, wed and thu. hard to imagine now.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Monday, 7 August 2006 08:20 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Original series premiered 40 years ago today. Live long enough and get rich!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5326738.stm


I wonder what Sulu and Chekov are singing in that pic.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link

live music by a Klingon band

Though I admit the language would be good for black metal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

its called star track get 1 brian morans

and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Have we talked about this yet?

"Hollywood, Calif. -- STAR TREK is getting a 21st century makeover. CBS Paramount Domestic Television is releasing digitally remastered episodes of the iconic 1960s sci-fi series, with all new special effects and music, to celebrate the groundbreaking series' 40th anniversary, it was announced today by John Nogawski, president of CBS Paramount Domestic Television.

The new episodes also mark the first time in 16 years that the original STAR TREK series can be seen in broadcast syndication. The episodes will begin airing on the more than 200 stations that own the rights to the weekend broadcast syndication window starting Sept. 16 (check local listings for station and dates). All 79 episodes of the original STAR TREK series will eventually be remastered, with the first batch of episodes chosen from a list of STAR TREK fans' favorite shows.

STAR TREK redefined science-fiction and constantly pushed the envelope with concepts that were ahead of their time," Nogawski said. "By giving the series a digital upgrade using the best technology available today, it will continue to be a leader in cutting-edge television programming as we introduce the series to a new generation of viewers."

The most noticeable change will be redoing many of the special effects, created with 1960s technology, with 21st century computer-generated imagery (CGI). That includes:

• Space ship exteriors -- The space ship Enterprise, as well as other Starships, will be replaced with state of the art CGI-created ships. The new computer-generated Enterprise is based on the exact measurements of the original model, which now rests in the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

• Show opening -- The Enterprise and planets seen in the main title sequence will be redone, giving them depth and dimension for the first time.

• Galaxy shots -- All the graphics of the galaxy, so frequently seen through the window on the Enterprise's bridge, will be redone.

• Exteriors -- The battle scenes, planets and ships from other cultures (notably the Romulan Bird of Prey and Klingon Battle Cruisers) will be updated.

• Background scenes -- Some of the iconic, yet flat, matte paintings used as backdrops for the strange, new worlds explored by the Enterprise crew will get a CGI face-lift, adding atmosphere and lighting.

The refurbished episodes also feature higher quality sound for the famous opening theme. The original score by Emmy Award-winning composer Alexander Courage has been re-recorded in state-of-the-art digital stereo audio with an orchestra and a female singer belting out the famous vocals. A digitally remastered version of William Shatner's classic original recording of the 38-word "Space, the final frontier…" monologue continues to open each episode.

The remastered episodes have been converted from the original film into a High-Definition format, which gives viewers a clearer, crisper, more vibrant picture than before, even when viewed in standard definition. Once stations upgrade and start broadcasting HD signals, the episodes will be all ready for viewers to enjoy in HD."

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

No Jar Jar Binks? RIPOFF.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Such a horrible idea. Altering lame sets and cheesy spaceship models - how does that IMPROVE the series? 75% of the Star Trek charm is kitsch. Lose that and you've got The Next Generation plus Shatner overacting.

(though Uhura >>>>> anyone on TNG)

milo z (mlp), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

fucking stupid idea

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, it pretty much defeats the whole purpose of TOS, just like those SW Special Editions. /bitter geek

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

in principle i'm not against redoing things or "refurbishing" them, but only if it was ever done consistently and evenly. i hate it when all they do is add a bunch of tacky cgi critters then leave all the horrible matte shots intact.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link

so yeah, this is gonna suck. and they better not pulla lucas and take the originals out of circulation.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

At least they're not gonna try to CGI all the Klingons to make them look like Worf (I hope).

Oh, and the originals aren't going anywhere, thankfully:

The original versions of the episodes will continue to be available on TV Land and G4, and the previously-released DVDs will continue to be available. The new versions will be seen only in broadcast syndication for at least the next year or so, and will air as they're completed. The new versions can't be shown on cable until all the episodes are done, as cable syndication deals are made in "strip" packages (meaning entire runs of episodes - complete seasons or entire series). The original film masters of all the episodes will be preserved.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, revisionist Worf-like Klingons would be the FIRST FUCKING THING Lucas would do to it.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

actually i wouldn't care if they did that (it doesn't affect anything either way), but if they replaced the actors, or added a spock shoots-first sort of revision that would suck. or if they gave the tribbles little beaks or tentacles

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Kirk: Matt Damon
Spock: Ben Affleck
Bones: Philip Seymour Hoffman
Uhura: Rosario Dawson
Chekov: Borat
Sulu: Sonny Chiba
Scotty: Ewan Macgregor (drunk)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

(Dir. and writer Kevin Smith.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Chekov: Borat

!

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh you KNOW I'm right.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

No, that's one revision I would wholeheartedly support.

ON MY PLANET THERE IS PROBLEM

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

"Dude, fire the fucking photons, c'mon."

"CAPTAIN I HURT HERE."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Special guest star Jason Bateman as Jason Bateman in wacky Arrested Development crossover episode about the intergalactic search for David Cross's sense of humor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"so...the Kilngon is like Jew?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

harry mudd: owen wilson
the tribble salesman guy: luke wilson
squire of gothos: ben stiller
khan: bill murray

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 September 2006 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link


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