Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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jon, you could probably find something from google, if you really wanted to. Their MO is usually to hide their race hate behind talk of "faith", "family", "patriotism" yadda yadda. they also tend to hijack emotive issues, ie crime, environment, p43d0ph|l|a etc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

The thought of Jon googling the BNP and getting onto some kind of FBI watch list pleases me greatly.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

the issue of what must be 95% of the min-wage service jobs in London being carried out by non-British people isn't necessarily an example of institutionalised racism in the capital I'd say, more to do with an obvious influx in recent years that's difficult to manage esp. wrt to equal opportunities or whatever you choose to call it. Of course a lot teachers and medics are recent immigrants too and thank God they decided to come over and help the shortages there.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes. Plus, plz no direct links to bnp sites, referral logs, etc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

how mainstream iz the BNP?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

El partido homologo al BNP en España, Democracia Nacional, hace un llamamiento a todos los Británicos que residan en España para que apoyen con su voto al BNP en las Elecciones Europeas. Democracia Nacional considera que el BNP es el único partido que defenderá los derechos de los británicos en Europa.


De igual modo, desde el BNP hacemos un llamamiento similar a todos los españoles que residan en Gran Bretaña, y por extensión, a todos los españoles que lean este comunicado (cualquiera que sea su lugar de residencia). Te pedimos el voto para Democracia Nacional, para que pueda luchar por la identidad, cultura e independencia española y europea.

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the most sense I've ever heard out of the BNP

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link


ENVIRONMENT - NO to pollution!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale.

What should I read between the lines here?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler would vote for them, that's for sure

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

they went to public school but are hippies

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

It shows a healthy respect for the subject when it's used solely because it's universally unobjectionable and therefore a useful tool to get people to like/pay attention to you. As if.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

c.f. terminology: "poor giro-class pack mentality" Vs. "neds". TS.

sorry, but I've come to hate the economies of presumption and condescension built into, unleashed and galvanised by the phrase 'ned'.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hitler was a GREAT painter! He could do an entire apartment, two coats, one afternoon!"

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

i think he preferred it in the 1850s

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

What kind of music does the BNP like?

Hongroism?
Oi?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

would hitler vote for the BNP?

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick Griffin, yesterday:

"Charchill! Charchill! With his cigars and his rotten paintings, rotten paintings! He couldn't even say Nazi, he would say Naaaaazzzzzzzii. We wasn't Naaaaazzzzis, we was Nazis!!!!!"

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

buns 'n' poses, obv

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxpost

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I fully admit that my comment about the people of Sighthill was a bit nasty, but they were all out in force raging about the influx of asylum seekers saying that they would take their jobs when it is well known that the majority of people living living in this poverty stricken area - as most Glaswegians will back up - do not have jobs and exist on benefits. It is a disgusting area made up of some of Glasgows poorest herion addicts, shop lifters et al crammed together in high rise flats and the most ridiculous area to put vulnerable asylum seekers in. It is this non-educated subclass that would be the least amenable to other cultures moving in - and they proved that by assaulting and verbally abusing the poor immigrants who were forced to live amongst them.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

glasgowsurvival.co.uk

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

the 'Oi' scene did attract a BNP faction altho fans of the scene such as Gary Bu5hell have tried to distance themselves from that (preferring his own more diluted style of bigotry i expect) naturally.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Cozen is otm re 'neds'. I am sick to the back teeth of this shit.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Being a "ned" is nothing to do with being poor, it's about being a dick for the most part

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Are neds the 'undeserving poor'?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

No, they're just the irritating poor

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

cozen what am i then to call the person who talks thru his nose, wears checked cap pointing upwards, baggy sportswear etc who aggresively hassles me for money when walking through glasgow w.my sister? I mean, you could say the exact same thing abt "charver", but, I get onto the metro, and there's this group of fux0rz who, knowing that dressing like that, & talking like that gets one labelled "worthless charver scum" or whatever, nevertheless choose to dress like that, choose talk like that, choose to harrass elderly passengers, smoke "tack", tag, etc. Imean, so-one made ned/charvers etc dress like/talk like/act like neds/charvers etc, yet they still do. Self identifying, in't it?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

being a "ned" or a "charver" is 0 to do with being poor, it's to do with being a fucking knobhead, and visibly identifying yourself as such.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

That "ned" voice is hilarious, must take hours of practice

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, sorry, but neds and charvers actually do exist, and actually make actual working people's lives a misery.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay - what about the drawn faced 'blues' taking neds? Or the herion addict neds? I am genuinely scared of these people!

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Shouldn't we be starring out the B*P?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone should perhaps de-google this thread.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

And what about those n*ds?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

D'ya think they'll come for us?

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Pashmina, maybe but increasingly common usage does equate ned/charver with poor, or at the very least with anyone who happens to live on a council estate.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Common usage by middle class fucking dickheads you mean?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I thought so!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you know: Glasgow fact #42 Ned is an acronym for Non Educated Delinquent.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

well, y'know, fuck chavscum & shit like that, I live on a 1/2 council-owned estate, you know? WTF am I to do, think of a new term just b/c some assholes yet again equate "working class" with "criminal class"?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

charver i am told is/was a romany term meaning "thief" and "shit"!

Also an old n yorks. term for "lad", polari for "fucking".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

why should it be degoogled? it's not exactly good publicity for the british national party. and the ned stuff is a bit low, if you ask me. looking a certain way does not give away yr entire personality.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen, if you grow up working class, on a council estate, in the Glasgow area - you know who the neds are and you spend most of the time laughing at them

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

We all sometimes abandon words because they have managed to accrue unpleasant connotations though don't we Pash?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

gis yer jackit yer dobber

ned (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Reading between the lines on the Environment piece.

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms - be the those forms oil, litter or asylum seekers.

We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. - The polluter here is refered to as an "other" and thus not a core member of the BNP support. Hence will be equated with those groups the BNP is again. (Note use of fascist friendly enforce here as well, with its attendant enforcers).

In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture - associated with inner city council estates associated with ethnic minorities. Modernism is juxtaposed against traditional values, and tied here to the 1960's a period of large immigration and therefore a bad thing.

with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale. Local -not foreign, hence understood by a local workforce. Human scale housing = traditional British family units, not accomodating alternative lifestyles or extended family living. Human scale can also be juxtaposed against the "masses" which are threatening the British way of life et al.


Pete (Pete), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The only unpleasant connotation of "ned" or "charver" for me is a young twoc-er/vandal/petty drug dealer/ person, who acts and dresses in a certain way. Sorry, but I don't give a fucking shit about people who think working class = criminal class think or say, because by their arithmetic I = criminal class anyway.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link


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