K Punk: classic or dud?

why would you want that outcome if you didn't think people had intrinsic value? i said i thought everyone had worth, which is just a synonym for value here. i get that some people are keen on taking the moral imperative out of left-wing politics.

http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-748.png

rofl

y know i'm kinda glad he has control of a blog rather than my local council

why would you want that outcome if you didn't think people had intrinsic value?

Because you might think society would be more peaceful - and therefore more pleasant to live in for you personally - if you treated people *as if* they had worth?

i said i thought everyone had worth, which is just a synonym for value here. i get that some people are keen on taking the moral imperative out of left-wing politics.

Actually I think replacing politics - and justice - with a moral imperative or ethics can be a problem; relying on individual good will, rather than coherent collective action means solving a famine in Africa becomes a case of appealing to the good will of first world citizens, rather than collective action by the people immediately affected

k-punk don't give a fuck

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no, i don't think that follows. why should a moral imperative be linked to individual action (let alone good will, which is another thing)? 'solving' famine is a) in everyone's interests b) a moral imperative.

but it's also a practical problem, and of course acts of individual first-world citizens won't do much on their own. on the other hand, other first-world citizens willing collective action by africans won't achieve anything either.

i have little clue 'what ought to be done', but without the moral imperative, without the idea that the lives of africans have intrinsic value, what else is there? to value collective action *in itself* seems odd.

why should a moral imperative be linked to individual action (let alone good will, which is another thing)?
Fair point. I don't think it should, but was assuming you were connecting the two - bad argumentative strategy

I think he likes the idea of music more than the music itself...

...like that ghostbox haunty thing or kode9

sorta nice concept but the tunes just arent that flash...

Does k-punk seriously think that ILM is representative of "ruling class anti-intellectualism"? Or indeed of anything else?

That'd totally work if not for the fact that a bunch of classless americans wander around here

Results 1 - 10 of about 13,900 for "bored office workers". (0.12 seconds)

It's really not that hard to understand, you know.

That's me, alright!

I think he likes the idea of music more than the music itself

I think that's a truly awful thing to say about someone!

I like k-punk, although, like Enrique, I realise that I'm the kind of person who can never win with him. But he makes me think, and he writes some really good, more-than-readable pieces. He also makes me wish I understood a lot of the stuff he mentions in passing: I don't feel too intimidated and shut-out by what he cites and how he cites it, and that's quite a rare thing to come by, I think. He can be aggressively wrong and annoying with it (though there's others in his general orbit who are genuinely nasty, which he isn't), but in the main I fall on the side of classic.

there's a dissensus thread where they pick apart his aversion to marijuana and analyze it, if you want to see someone get defensive, it's worthwhile

intimidated is an interesting choice of word.

'chav' v 'eton boy as dalek'

why is one generalization akin to a hate-crime and the other is not?

Link to weed thread?

https://twitter.com/kpunk99

Meta

Miss this guy for real.

http://repeaterbooks.com/books/post-punk-then-and-now-gavin-butt-mark-fisher/

^^^this is something i probably need to read (if only to be cross how much i've been missed out)

RIP

Just saw that he'd died from Geeta's twitter. Fuck.

:O

i was at uni with Mark, and tho i don't remember us crossing paths i think it's likely that i did and i've just lost it along with most of the rest of my memories. which is apt i guess.

Fuck. Just read on Twitter. RIP.

Really sad about this. I used to enjoy being challenged by his blog posts, when I cared about such things. And I really did. And he was really unique.

Never got around to reading capitalist realism but I liked the Michael Jackson book he put together

I was debating the other day on whether to preorder his new book that comes out at the end of the month. I remember when Google Reader still existed and checking for updates on a handful of blogs was part of my daily routine, it was a good day when he'd posted something new. I'd usually put it to the side until I had the time to sit and give his writing my full attention.

Yeah I read his blog pretty religiously for some time. This is just terrible news.

RIP. Used to read his blog religiously, even if I didn't always follow/agree.

http://www.factmag.com/2017/01/14/mark-fisher-k-punk-capitalist-realism-has-died/

His wife, Zoë Fisher, confirmed his death on her personal Facebook page, saying he had taken his own life.

Excellent interview from 2014. http://www.neromagazine.it/n/?p=20620

Ahh fuck, so terrible to hear this. RIP

Oh no.

RIP, this is awful news. I always got a lot out of his writing.

that nero interview is good. if there are any other good interview links post them here. he was swell in conversation.

http://blissout.blogspot.com/2017/01/rip-mark-fisher_14.html

http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=13999

https://itself.blog/2017/01/14/mark-fisher/

http://rougesfoam.blogspot.com/2017/01/negativity-not-pessimism-rip-mark-fisher.html

https://www.facebook.com/johnfoxxandthemaths/posts/1708297872529197

it's really striking how many people there are saying that reading his blog was a formative experience for them

Through twitter I have been surprised at the range of people saying he was a big deal for them. Capitalist Realism has made quite an impact.

I just read capitalist realism over the break. Good read, rip

xp it's apparently sold an obscene number of copies for what it is, into the 10,000s.

his writing on mental health in recent years was really remarkable.

This is a big blow. His blog was formative and inspiring for me as well, for both theory and his ability to weave (pop) culture into his ideas and writing.

Had just ordered his latest book.

David Stubbs remembrance in combination with a previously unpublished interview with Agata Pyzik:

http://thequietus.com/articles/21572-mark-fisher-rip-obituary-interview

owen hatherley:

http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/imet-mark-for-first-time-in-pub-in.html