CLUSTER: I have fallen in love with this band, please help

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That breaks my heart because Jardin Au Fou is my favouritest.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 15 July 2006 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...
mp3s of an album called 'cluster live 77/80' are circulating online and easy to find through google

1. cluster/eno live metz 77, 29:54
2/3. cluster/farnbauer, live vienna 80, 16:00 / 15:09

the last two tracks are taken directly from the two bonus tracks at the end of the Kluster reissues (if anyone has a copy of the entire tape, please drop me a line). the Cluster/Eno gig is a hissy cassette transfer of a room recording, but the music is one long throbbing drone piece, closer to Cluster II than their late 70's albums, good to know and I'll probably listen to it more than twice.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

& by 'entire tape' I'm talking specifically about cluster & farnbauer's live in vienna

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:50 (seventeen years ago) link

(also making the rounds is a supposedly 'unreleased' 1976 Roedelius album Zu Fuss -- which is a very hissy transfer of a cassette of work mixes for Durch Die Wuste & a handful of tracks from the first and third Selbstportrait. the mixes are the same as the albums, but it's before they were cut together, so some of the tracks now wander to a close instead of getting faded or cut. this one I did not listen to more than once, I just skipped through it and then put on the actual albums.

Following up the Water reissues, Captain Trips is doing limited editions of some of the Moebius this month -- Rastakraut Pasta, Material, Zero Set, Tonspuren & Blue Moon. Blue Moon is the only one of those that isn't a straight-up classic, and even that one has a few tracks I can't live without.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i've seen a reissue of 'musik von harmonia' recently at a couple stores. no idea about the sound quality but the packaging is digipak style and looks to be in russian. not sure i feel the need to replace my copy (on the brain label i think)

am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

The reissue is on the Lilith label out of Russia, same guys who reissued No New York. No idea how legit it is, but the most recent German reissue (2004 on some Universal sublabel) is copy-controlled, so it does have that going for it.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link

they reissued it on vinyl, at a decent price, so i am PSYCHED -- never had that album before and it's amazing, really. have dj'ed it out about three times and each time someone asked 'what the hell is that' and two of the times, i had headz say, something to the effect of 'thanks for playing harmonia, man.' heavy heavy excellence on that record.

Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

very excited about Moebius' Tonspuren reissue. way ahead of its time, a visionary masterpiece, unfairly overlooked. it's my favorite of all of those, Blue Moon second. now if only they could dig up extra tracks...

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd hardly call "Tonspuren" a masterpiece. That Liliental album is very nice however... lovely sleeve!

Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I love them all, every group & solo album from 1971-1984, it's just a matter of degree

I picked up Moebius' new album Nurton a few months ago. He's definitely trying harder than he was on the last one Blotch -- feels more composed & layered. this structurally sounds the most like Tonspuren than anything since (short motorik pieces built out of weird sounds and riffs) but I still prefer his earlier synth sounds to the all-digital palette he's been working with since 1996 -- plenty of quirky noises, but they just don't sound as elliptical and abstract as the analog days. Still, since most of his other solos & groups since 1996 have been mostly long improvisation jam-band records, I'm happy about Nurton and my favorite couple of tracks are towards the end.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm w/ milton on the all-digital palette. i gave Nurton a few listens when it came out, now i'll re-investigate--thanks!

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
following up my own 10 january 2007 post about the Cluster/Eno live in Metz 1977 mp3 which I gave the thumbs-up to...

http://db.etree.org/myshows_detail.php?showid=2771881

The show that circulates as Cluster/Eno Metz '77 is in all probability not performed by Cluster and Eno, but by Klaus Schulze.

The input below come from two different collectors both knowledgeable in circulating Eno shows.

1) BTW, the Eno & Cluster you have listed is not Eno & Cluster. Roedelius (from Cluster) himself said so. He thinks it may be Klaus
Schultze.

2) The Metz concert is not Eno but it is Klaus Schulze. The info came directly from Roedelius (from Cluster).


though this doesn't sound like typical 77 Cluster in structure, there's no mistaking those filtered Roedelius organ lines & repeated chords -- and that definitely could be Moebius on some of those squiggles. some of the high frequency twitters occasionally sound like Schulze (though a lot of people used that effect). but... I don't really hear any giveaway Eno moments.

so god knows exactly what this is, though I'm still digging it whereever it came from. my guess is it's at least Roedelius and one or two other people, and they're having a good night

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

my guess is it's at least Roedelius

even though roedelius says its not?

am0n, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

well this is all telephoned in -- my guess is Roedelius simply said that Cluster and Eno never actually performed live together, therefore this isn't Cluster & Eno -- my ears tell me that's almost definitely Roedelius -- though I could certainly be wrong. I dunno, you've heard the Selbstportaits -- what d'you think? curious.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i see what you're saying. uhhh its got that "kosmische" sound throughout so it being klaus schulze makes more sense as cluster sound had moved past that several years before. plus roedelius' repeated lines always sound like he plays them that way, whereas here it just sounds like riffs run through massive delay, more akin to schulze. in any case its heavy shit and if it is schulze then i may need to re-evaluate his records (i've only heard "picture music")

am0n, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:10 (seventeen years ago) link

if schulze is playing on this, he's in a restrained mood and it's one of the best things he's ever participated in (by a long shot). he usually brings things crashing back to earth whenever he starts in with those noodly keyboard solos.

their studio albums had moved on, but compare this mp3 to the long improvs on the Harmonia 76 disc, the keyboardscapes on Selbstportrait II & III, and the 1980 Cluster & Farnbauer live concert (bonus tracks on the Kluster reissues) -- it's pretty much a dead match at times. that ascending line in the middle also sounds like it was played live. there are some sequencer loops that don't sound very much like any Cluster at all & no dead Moebius giveaways though, so... who knows, though I agree this is great

Milton Parker, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe its harmonia live :O

am0n, Friday, 23 February 2007 04:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't hear any Rother on this (though once again who knows), but I do remember hearing back when the Harmonia 76 record came out that there was a promise of a 'Harmonia Live' CD. years ago, I guess the tapes are out there. There's a Roedelius interview where he indicates that live Harmonia mainly just rehearsed & recreated the album tracks, whereas Cluster live was always 100% improvised.

I also remember talking with Russ Curry, who put out Appropos Cluster on Curious, and he said that originally they'd delivered a mix of a 16 channel multitrack studio album, which he enthusiastically called a masterpiece, before they reconsidered and asked to put out the 2-track live takes as the album instead. I'd love to hear those.

Milton Parker, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Cluster's playing three shows, first in over 10 years

http://www.roedelius.com/

Lyon / France Museum of Contemporary Art, May 17th
with Dieter Moebius as “Cluster”

Paris / France Le Noveau Casino, May 18th
with Cluster

Geneve / Suisse “L’Usine”, May 20th
with Cluster

Milton Parker, Saturday, 17 March 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

London show added

April 15th – Camden Underworld, London, England

any promoters reading this -- I'm hoping for US shows. Roedelius is coming to the US later this year, it shouldn't be too costly to fly Moebius over for a few Cluster shows

I saw them three times on the 96 tour and all three shows were stronger overall than the two albums they put out documenting that tour -- the records concentrated on the mellower moments, in concert they went a little further out

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
did anyone go? anyone seen any reviews?

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

so hard to find an affordable copy of "cluster II" ... come on water, pick it up!

also weird that so many of the outlets that carried "eno + cluster" and "begegnungen i" and "begegnungen ii" (love the first one) declined to pick up "sowieso" ... but i guess that's the power of being a U2 collaborator for you.

how is the newest moebius solo ("nurton")? i've seen it in a lot of bargain electronica bins ...

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

there's talk of nurton upthread. haven't returned to it much but some good bits in the last third.

the new reissues of begegnungen I & II seem to omit track info, making it even more difficult for people to tell that those are compilations from group & solo albums, and not the quartet collaborating on every track. kinda hate that. every single album those comps are sourcing from is worth tracking down.

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought II was a comp and I was an album?!?!

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

both compilations.

the first editions didn't mention which albums the tracks were taken from , but at least it listed which artists contributed which tracks. the new reissues just list the tracks, making it seem that everyone's on each track

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

geek fact: Shiina Ringo includes a quiet sample of Cluster's 'Seltsame Gegand' from Curiosum at the very end of her song 'Identity'. listen for the final Möbi-chirp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdvOj5FQOW8

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

german blogger babelfished on the Paris show this month:

I left myself mental ever more deeply down-slide into the labyrinth from tones and fantasies and horchte up only if a piece were times terminated and the applause of the public a break formed. Occasionally I used also the opportunity to take in or other photo. Pieces of "sugar time" I recognized by the way none, however no miracle, becausethe set consisted to the majority of new, yet veroeffentlchten pieces...

During well the 70-minuetigen of concert I did not bore myself a second, despite the kontemplativen character of the music. In the opposite, I found that high-inspiring and excitingly all. I believe it to the other spectators also very well fell, her donated long lasting applause. Moebius and Roedelius gave themselves the hand briefly and thank you scarcely in national language: "Merci!, Merci beaucoup ".

http://meinzuhausemeinblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/cluster-paris-180507.html

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Roedelius is coming to the US in October. I don't see any other shows scheduled besides two in Big Sur, which I can make, but seeing as he and Moebius seem to be playing together again, it seems like one extra plane ticket for Moebius is all it would take for a handful of US Cluster appearences, so I sure hope some electronic-music-loving promoter has enough of their business together to make something happen soon

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Let's talk about the records with Eno.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 August 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Or...not.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

All 3 Kluster (Schnitzler, Roedelius, Moebius) albums - 'Klopfzeichen', 'Zwei Osterei', and 'Schwarz' are fantastic.

I take issue with the characterization of Zwei Osterei as fantastic - unless your definition of fantastic encompasses side-long tracks of a monotonous male voice intoning in German with faint buzzy electronic sounds in the background.

o. nate, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

the speaker isnt monotonous at all! hes just very, very serious, which, given the nonsensical cut-up sermon hes reading, is funny as hell.

, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link

you'd think those Cluster/Eno collabs. would be great. but they aren't. dry and boring compared w/ Cluster lps.

nerve_pylon, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link

which, given the nonsensical cut-up sermon hes reading, is funny as hell

Unfortunately, not being a German speaker, the comedy is lost on me.

o. nate, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

reposted from upthread

http://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Clusterdiscs01.htm
http://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Clusterdiscs02.htm

the Kluster records aren't the most inviting or accessible, but I think they're really effective for what they are, and with every passing year of recent noise / drone shows and CDRs they sound better and better. when I started hearing Yellow Swans drone records, the Kluster CDs are the first things I thought of. Eruption is the one without recitations if you find the vocals too distracting.

Milton Parker, Thursday, 30 August 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

tour pushed to spring

in other old news that I missed --

moebius & neumeier 'zero set II' -- http://www.cisco-records.co.jp/html/item/002/114/item241559.html

I read somewhere that this was a japanese reissue of 2003's 'live in japan', which I haven't returned to much, but it's a new album and the samples sound promising

I've also been playing moebius' 'nurton' from last year and it is definitely a grower

Milton Parker, Thursday, 20 September 2007 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

um wtf is up with that 6CD box set on Captain Trip, is that stuff legit? looks like it was also released as separate discs.

sleeve, Friday, 21 September 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I love the Eno/Cluster stuff, but that's the only Cluster I've heard. I need to go out and get some more...

flamingrev, Friday, 21 September 2007 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link

You should, you really should..

Milton, where did you get that tour info news? Does that regard the entire tour or just the North American dates?

willem, Friday, 21 September 2007 07:21 (sixteen years ago) link

just the North American dates are being pushed back, so they can do it right. friends are trying to book them in SF.

Captain Trip's pretty legit, they started releasing Moebius & Dinger solo projects in the 90's and now they've worked up to Schnitzler, Pinhas & Cluster reissues. the choices of what they're grouping together for the boxes is a little random though:

BOX 1 - six discs
CLUSTER / '71 / Sowiesoso / Grosses Wasser / Curiosum
MOEBIUS + BEERBOHM / Strange Music / Double Cut

BOX 2 - five discs
CLUSTER & ENO / same
ENO - MOEBIUS - ROEDELIUS / After The Heat
MOEBIUS + ROEDELIUS / Apropos Cluster
CLUSTER / One Hour
MOEBIUS & PLANK / En Route

Box 1 is solid (not everyone loves those Moebius & Beerbohm records but I definitely do -- first one has live punk drumming & instruments, and the side two of 'double cut' is 1982 minimal techno). the last three in box 2 have been out of print for over a decade so it's nice to have them back but those are definitely three of their weaker albums all in a row

Milton Parker, Saturday, 22 September 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Got my Captain Trip reissues of Sowiesoso, '71, and Curiosum last week. The sound is definitely an improvement over the older versions I've got. They're probably worth $20 just for the magical shrunken down LP format.

Also, Lilith have now released Zuckerzeit, Cluster II, Musik Von Harmonia and Deluxe on LP/CD. I think they're using the same tapes as the German Universal versions from a few years ago, but it's nice to have LP's of these. Plus, liner notes by Asmus Tietchens in delightfully botched English and Cyrillic.

s. morris, Friday, 5 October 2007 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I have the Lilith "Zuckerzeit" reissue and it sounds fantastic. Is there a difference between the Captain Trip and Water versions of "Sowiesoso"?

Bill in Chicago, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

stupid to have 3 labels reissuing the same shit while roedelius solo albums remain oop

am0n, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Captain Trip's Sowiesoso is supposedly a remastered version, but who knows? I think Water's released were remastered, too.

Agree with am0n. Does anyone know what the hell Captain Trip mean when they put "EMBARGO!" by Roedelius' Jardin Au Fou on their website? Just an awkward way of telling me "not for you!" or are they saying it's sold out? Does it mean that somewhere in the world (like, say, Japan) you can still get it? So frustrating!

s. morris, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe I have to buff up my trade relations with Captain Trip before I get a copy.

s. morris, Friday, 5 October 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Cluster (Moebius & Roedelius) performing live at Dampfzentrale Bern 15. September 2007 feat. Dorit Chrysler on Theremin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srrQ7jLjb24

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link

including that last minute of solo Dorit wasn't the best way to end that montage, but rest of it sounds good to me

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://kraut-team.blogspot.com/2007/10/krautrockteam_7048.html

re: the authenticity of 'Cluster & Eno live Metz 1977' as discussed upthread - this sounds right to me

Greatings from Dennis in South Africa

I listened to the two 1977 pieces , with interest. I should perhaps first explain that I used to be in close personal contact with Hans Joachim Roedelius ( of Cluster ) through the late Seventies and early eighties. I immediately recognised the music and extracted my own tape out of my archives.

My recording was sent direct to me by Roedelius soon after the event. Please note it was performed by Cluster ( Moebius and Roedelius only ) without the involvement of Brian Eno. Also that it was recorded on the 23rd September 1977 , not during November. The music that was performed was from a concert at the Metz Sci Fi festival : in France , but quite some distance from Paris. The full recording is quite a bit longer than that uploaded.

...

Hope this helps to set the record straight

Thanks to Dennis

Conan

Milton Parker, Friday, 9 November 2007 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Apr 18 2008 8:00P Queen Elisabeth Hall London
May 10 2008 8:00P Palazzo Dei Congressi Rome
May 11 2008 8:00P Camber Sands Rye
May 16 2008 8:00P Detroit Institute of Arts Detroit
May 17 2008 8:00P Knitting Factory New York
May 22 2008 8:00P CINESPIA at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery Los Angeles
May 23 2008 8:00P Henry Miller Library Big Sur
May 24 2008 8:00P Brookdale Lodge Santa Cruz
May 25 2008 8:00P Great American Music Hall San Francisco

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link

=(

am0n, Friday, 15 February 2008 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link


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