King Crimson - C/D S/D

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Dominique is spot on: KC invented math-rock via "Lark's Tongue," "Red" and "Fracture."

plus, it seems that, since the vogue for early '80s post-punk goes on and on, folks that like Franz, Arctic Ms, Interpol and Bloc party would dig the '80s Crim… or maybe not, since them folks seem to be anti-virtuosity…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

TS: Larks' Tongues vs. Heart of the Sunrise

It's a toughie

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost I was also thinking that Larks' Tongues would appeal to Deerhoof fans.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...
They never toured the RED album did they? I discovered that after trying to find live boots of it!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 March 2007 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link

No Chapman Stick, No Credibility.

King Boy Pato, Friday, 23 March 2007 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(Not really, it's just a) I wanted to use that line and b) I really really like Discipline.)

King Boy Pato, Friday, 23 March 2007 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Discipline is great.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 March 2007 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i think they split right after red was recorded, and before it was even released.

akm, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Yes has a marginally higher profile because their biggest hits were a lot closer to pop than KC has ever been. However, I think if the average 21-year-old indie diehard heard "Red" live played by any random spiky indie rock band, KC would have the clear edge as far as the kind of music that actually "translates" now

They'd probably translate better to the math rock niche crowd but surely Yes's overall profile is more than marginally higher, given that they still play stadiums?

Sundar, Friday, 23 March 2007 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Search anything from early on, destroy more the closer to get to the present age.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The more recent stuff is not bad actually. Not bad at all.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

it's not great though

akm, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

'Into The Frying Pan' is an excellent song

unfished business, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Better than the "symphonic rock" that Geir likes.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

the last two albums sound really dated to me in ways that no other crimson albums do. they no longer sound visionary; they sound like they are trailing behind in areas where their followers already went. not that there aren't some good songs on them, they're just, on the whole, not very memorable albums. they need to work with an outside producer, I think, one who would push them to vary their compostions a little bit. think about how diverse those 80's albums are (even Thrak, for that matter); the last two records really don't have that kind of variety and it makes them a chore to listen to rather than a pleasure.

akm, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The last two Crimson albums sound very self-conscious, especially ConstruKction of Light...very formulaic, very by-the-numbers, IMO. I suspect Bill Bruford realized very early on in the band's 90s reformation where they might be headed creatively and jumped ship for other waters.

I think part of what made Fripp's career (both solo and Crimson) so interesting was the constant flux and diverse group of musicians he collaborated with in the 70s and 80s. At this point, I think he's pretty much exhausted what could be accomplished in working with Belew and/or Levin and/or Gunn.

Joe, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

A vintage King Crimson tune ("In The Court of...) was used in the soundtrack to "Children of Men" to very nice effect. Kind of a jarring, but very cool moment in an amazing film. I guess the director, Cuaron, is kind of a prog-head? "Y Tu Mama Tambien" had some of that going on as well...

tylerw, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah I saw that the other day. They use it for this whole extended 5-minute chunk as well!

unfished business, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Greg Lake.

marissa, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i like wetton better.

chaki, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

vincent gallo used a kc song in buffalo '66. I couldn't pay attention to the scene cuz I was breaking my brane trying to remember the name of the song ("moonchild").

Edward III, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

these days somehow the first album seems the most classic and least dated of all of them, to me

akm, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Joe otm

Which sux, because theoretically, I'm still interested in KC. Fripp should hire Ruins or Orthrelm for the next incarnation of the band, as it seems he's wanted a really technical, more metallic band for a while. (and esp as those bands are a big reason current KC seems so not-that-interesting to me).

Dominique, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

GET RID OF THE FUCKING CHAPMAN STICKS

chaki, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

They were at their best when Greg Lake was still in the group and Pete Sinfield still working closely with them.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
um, so this is my 2nd kc album (larks' tongue in aspic) and i'm diggin, really diggin. cassette tape no less

Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 00:55 (sixteen years ago) link

tongues xcuse me

Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 00:55 (sixteen years ago) link

oh no wait i think i have 2 newish krimsons like with sex eat drink sleep dream, watever it is

i mean that one was ok (ep or something), but kinda like, dorky or crochety or something. u know newer.

Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link

FOGY, dang i haven't used that word in a while

Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Get Starless and Bible Black if you like Larks Tongues...

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:10 (sixteen years ago) link

=) thx... i luv how i just use these threads to vent about whatever i'm reeling over at the moment

Surmounter, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

wetton's kind of a weird one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZIPwZ6BaBg

gershy, Saturday, 9 June 2007 06:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Surmounter if you like Larks' and perhaps by now, Starless & Bible Black, you of course should cop Red which is the unbelievably heavy studio pinnacle of that line-up.

Most of all though, treat yourself eventually to some live recordings from this era. The newish release of what used to be called USA, now called Asbury Park 1974 (the USA version has overdubs, the new one doesn't), is just maybe the apotheosis of the Wetton era. As with only the very awesomest of live discs, listening to it I can't believe people actually sat in an audience and SAW THIS.

Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

is that a download only from dgm? I can't seem to find the album

akm, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Yep.
http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=5&show=419

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I think maybe it's been released on CDin one of these DGM 2-fers I've been seeing around... no?

Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's on Vol. 1 of the "Collectable King Crimson" 2-fer CDs (the other concert on Vol. 1 is "Mainz 1974").

Joe, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Let's go off the beaten path and try

the nonreleased and improv tracks on Vrooom and Vrooom Vrooom

and get the Heavy ConstruKction album for the new songs and improvs

I can't remember the names of my favorite songs this way but
ccccSeizurecc, Uböö, Cage, and Blastic Rhino all seem to ring a bell

this is stuff you won't find on Thrak, The Constukction of light, and
The Power To Believe albums

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 10 June 2007 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.kimmopohjonen.com/img/kTU/KTU815press2-L.jpg

HMMM

Davey D, Monday, 11 June 2007 17:28 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I can't find a thread for the Discipline album.

Frame by Frame has endeared itself to my heart over the last couple of weeks big time.

Bimble, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link

nothing rocks me quite like "Red"

poortheatre, Sunday, 9 September 2007 07:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm really excited about The Great Deceiver being re-released now. I've wanted that for years, but not found it. As good as some of the studio albums are, they always (or at least since the Wetton years) were a better live group than studio band.
For those who're not familiar, TGD is a 4-disc collection of live recordings from 1973 and 1974. It's now being put out as two 2-disc sets, new packaging, but no changes whatsoever to the content of the discs themselves.

Have to admit that I would've preferred the original box being re-released as it was, as I'm not too fond of the artwork they go for these days. I also got the impression that the original liner notes are just included as a PDF this time, which is odd. But what the hell, the packaging and booklet is rarely of interest after the first day.

Further info:
Elephant Talk | Wikipedia

Øystein, Sunday, 9 September 2007 08:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Here ya go, Bimble:

Defend The Hypothetically Defensible: King Crimson's Discipline

Myonga Vön Bontee, Sunday, 9 September 2007 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Well done! Cheers.

Bimble, Sunday, 9 September 2007 09:01 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Larks Tongues in Aspic is nothing short of amazing. I feel/fear I might be going in to that Crimson phase I've been putting off for so long now...

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyysKcJLmM

:(

Turangalila, Thursday, 16 July 2009 06:28 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I want this vinyl reissue of In The Wake Of Poseidon!!!

- 200g Super-Heavyweight Vinyl
- Newly cut from Robert Fripp approved masters
- Reprint of Original Stunning Gatefold Sleeve
- Limited Time MP3 Code for access to download transfer of an original 1970 pressing

sleeve, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

Here's some siqq ass rare 80s footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiS2LZhLvYw

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 15 March 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link


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