"She's an indoor kitty..."

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Yeah, I don't remember the verse about total nuclear annihilation.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

but cats are outdoor animals

As Ally points out, this part of your argument is not actually true.

My cat was having some issues, and so after five or so years of being an indoor kitty, she was allowed out with strict supervision. It seemed to calm her down. Then one day she got stuck under the overhang of a neighbor's building. (When I tried to figure out how to get her out, she came out on her own. "You could have done that the whole time?!") Anyway then I moved to my current place, which is a courtyard apartment thingy, however you describe it, but anyway there are lots of gardens and none of the streets outside are especially busy. She mostly just stays right outside the door, and sometimes plays with the other cats. She tries to go out at night, but this is discouraged since there are sometimes raccoons that come by at night. I am hoping she doesn't get too brave about her wanderings.

Anyway, if a cat is having anxiety issues or seems unhappy being indoors, it's fine to let her out supervised (assuming it's not a dangerous neighborhood). If it's happy being indoors then why show it what it's missing? Let it be happy.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone mentioned the flea issue? That was the main reason my mom would never allow to let my cat out.

oops (Oops), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

if i didn't let my cats out for a few hours each day, they would drive me fucking bonkers. they're the local bullies too.

jimmy glass (electricsound), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i keep singing this thread title to the Pinball Wizard chorus.

She's an indoor kitty
There's got to be a twist
An indoor kitty
No fleas up in this bitch

it was a different shark (wetmink2), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i used to let my cat out untill i was smokin a cig and he was plyin in the grass and this huge ass white owl swooped down to pick him up. i screamed like a little bitch and the owl flew away but never again has he gone outside.. a few years have passed and the kitty seems happy as ever.

huell howser (chaki), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

my cat has zero interest in leaving the apartment. sometimes i'll open the front door and let him peer out from the doorway (which he likes cuz we're on the ground level and he can see the street), but he never goes any farther than that. if he sees someone coming he runs into the next room.

faith popcorn (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

B) THE FACT THAT ALL HE DOES IS SCREAM 24 HOURS A DAY. I've never seen an animal with SO MUCH to tell me. And it's like, shut the fuck up, I don't even understand your language and it probably amounts to "Did you know the human head weights 8 pounds??"

I thought I was the only one with a cat that does this. Mostly she's fine, but sometimes, and again in the presence of plenty of food, water, and attention, she sees it fit to walk around and yodel at the top of her voice for 20-30 minutes. Sometimes an hour. Then she settles on top of the record player and is fine for the rest of the night. It makes no sense, and it's very annoying.

Maybe she wants to go outside.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Our two cats were born with feline leukemia, so they are indoor types to keep them from infecting other cats and to prevent them from being exposed to cat disease. We do let them out in the back patio, where one snacks on lemongrass and foxtails til he pukes and the other coats himself in dust (which is undoubtedly radioactive, around here).

A woman I know who is a confessed animal-strong-disliker let her kids get two (free) kittens last year. After paying many hundreds of $$ for shots, neutering, microchipping and the like, she left them out one night and they were eaten by coyotes.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to myself: Oh, the best is when she has one of these episodes at 1 a.m. You can't sleep through it. So you get up to check her food and water, and they're both fine, but you put some more food on top just to be sure, and she looks at the food and then at you like, "What the fuck is this? This is not what I asked for!"

So then you club her unconscious with an empty wine bottle and go back to bed.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

She's probably bored. Make it a challenge for her to get to her food. Stack boxes around it or put it in a closet with the door barely open. She'll realize you've lost it and shut up to start planning her final attack.

One of our cats talks to himself most of the day, but in a low conspiratorial mutter.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My cat --- who died a few weeks ago --- would do the caterwaul-for-no-apparent-reason thing. He didn't do it til he was about 14 y/o. The only thing I could figure is that he had some sort of chronic, internal pain.
Kenan, I assume your cat is spayed and isn't in heat?

oops (Oops), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link

We've got some MICHIGAN up in the house: that "Cat Came Back" lyric is by Wally Pleasant. I still remember how to play the guitar solo from that one.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 3 October 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Kenan, I assume your cat is spayed and isn't in heat?

Yeah.

Kenan (Jessa), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The only thing I could figure is that he had some sort of chronic, internal pain.

I think my cat suffers from ennui.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

In Melbourne, and possibly Sydney too, in many of the leafy outer suburbs it is actually against the law to allow your domestic cat to roam outside at night. So theres yer answer for us fishbulb.

This is because cats, being cats, are killing all the native birds/possums/other native wildlife, escaping and going feral, etc etc.

Also as a lot of people have pointed out - what if you have no "outside"? My only "yard" is my balcony and my cat is quite happy to wander out there, sit and view her domain from the safety of being higher up than her peons.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i would never leave my cats out all night (although it has unintentionally happened on occasion)

jimmy glass (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Also like oops said - fleas. Cat had fleas when I was given it as a kitten (urrgh, nice to be warned). Had to fleabomb house, deflea cat... it has never had fleas since.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.cmycat.com/goldeyes/brandi.jpg

nope nothing wrong with that, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Jabba the Catt

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

We never had an indoor cat when I was growing up. We lived in rural MINNESOTA.

Ditto. My cat was all outdoors, all the time. Went on walkabout, took peyote and fought all of the animals. Tuff.

This is how tough: walked into the woods a few weeks ago and never came back. Rest in peace, Spike.

http://static.flickr.com/14/15332076_a78272c6e9.jpg

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:54 (eighteen years ago) link

We have 2 cats and don't let them outside at all. We live in a 2nd floor flat so there's no way for them to get in or out (we put insect netting over the windows), they're happy enough because they have each other for company when we're not in.

It's hard to adopt a cat from a shelter in the UK if you're not going to let it out, though. They like to only give cats to people with gardens, so we had to go through an ad in the paper to get the kitten. Unfortunately he has chlamydia and infected his big brother but they're both fine now on antibiotics.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 07:40 (eighteen years ago) link

we adopted our cat when she was already in her early teens, and she had lived in the country, i think. we have a kind of yard (not much in the way of fences, very easy for her to get on to the road) and she has a supervised walk there. it's a hard balance to strike.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i think there muct be a real US/UK divide gwan on. because i don't know any indoor cats here, and the roads of wimbledon swarm with moogies sprawled out on the pavement in the heat (not today obv). i've had cats all my life, and keeping them in the house was never an option. when i got changy (he was abt 3 we guess), i had to keep him in the house for a month after his first round of innoculations. but we didn't have a chance - it was a very hot august, and this beast of an animal somehow snuck out through a window left very slightly ajar. when all the windows were closed, he would bash through the old cat flap in the back door, which we'd sealed with gaffer tape and obstructed with objects for his incarceration.

http://static.flickr.com/27/49293752_7db6882198.jpg?v=0

Mr Chang thinks indoor cats are pussies.

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

as an aside, i took him to the vets to get his dreadlocks excised this morning.

my vet is HOTT. BUT CHANG HAS FLEAS. ew. i don't think she was impressed.

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Both my cats are indoor/outdoor cats. But that's only because I live in a relatively safe area in a place called Tasmania - the island at the bottom of the Australian mainland - and yes it IS part of Australia. Even though we live in the inner-city capital, it's still safe. They would get absolute cabin-fever if they were forced to stay inside. The only downside is that they do like bringing "presents," their favourites being rats dead or alive.
By the way, that is SUCH a cute photo of the dog & cat curled up together. Very sweet.
Addition to Wiggy's great list above: when you are trying to use the computer & kittens discover that this is THE most interesting thing in the world & is actually a GAME just for them. Then they start *typing* & before you know it your work has disappeared somewhere into the nether regions of the technological beast never to be found again. Aside from that I WUV MY PUDDINS.

salexander (salexander), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

You really shouldn't keep cats in. They're CATS! I think anthromorphosizing them with personality traits that mean that they have to be sheltered indoors is nuts. I guess you might get the odd traumatised cat that won't go out, but they should have the opportunity. One of our cats is quite nervous, and didn't like going outside for a while due to an aggressive neighbouring cat, but we just simply put her out every day and let her sort it out. Now she's fine - in fact she spends a lot of time in the garden. Our other cat - a one year-old tom, often goes off hunting for a day or so, ususally coming home in the small hours with a mouse.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I'd want to let our cats out where we live at the moment even if we could. Cats seem to go missing all the time, there's always posters up on the trees on our street, and we have a lot of foxes.

Plus our street is pretty densely populated and if the cats did get out we'd never be able to find them.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Aw, giboyeux. Sorry to hear about yr cat's disappearence - that thread where you first introduced him to us rocked so fucking hard.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

**and we have a lot of foxes.**

A cat will see off a fox.

**we'd never be able to find them**

They will come back.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

A cat will see off a fox.

This might turn into a discussion of "monkey vs horse" level proportions, I'd be careful...

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:02 (eighteen years ago) link

My cats are a 13 year old who's never been outside in his life and a 6 month old kitten. I doubt either of them would see off a fox, especially not a fox the size of the one we saw in the neighbours garden the other day.

I've seen a couple of cat/fox confrontations walking home late at night, and it's true that the fox thought better of it and went off, although one time we shooed it away ourselves.

Anyway, as I said above, both cats have chlamydia and therefore weakened immune systems so there's the risk of disease as well. Plus the kitten's still got his bollocks (for the time being).

As for them coming back, how would we know unless we sit outside our building waiting for them? I'm on the 2nd floor!

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah. I didn't realise you lived in a flat.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry to hear about yr cat's disappearence

Ah well. Thanks. Cat/Spike was tough as nails. I'm sure he died honorably. What's the feline equivalent of the final shootout of Scarface?

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:10 (eighteen years ago) link

We thought we had lost a bunch of our cats over the years. Later on we found out they'd all moved into a barn half a mile away. The farmer LOVED them because they ate all of the mice.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you people think hampsters are secretly outdoor animals too??

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean there are only a few stories of "outdoor" cats on this thread that don't involve you cruel bastards FORCING the cat out until it got used to it. I mean you all realize that half of the cat's bizarre behavior is just boredom, right? Not necessarily some bred-out instinctual urge to go shit in the neighbor's bushes.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Outdoor cats only make sense in rural areas IMO.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean if your cat honestly wants to go outside and runs out the house or seems excited to go out when you bring it out, that's one thing, as long as you want to supervise it if in a more urban environment. But if the cat is scared to go outside, why are you making it go outside??? What point are you trying to prove? That you're harder than the housecat? What in the world?

Also if you are going to let your cat climb into neighbor's yards that's completely inconsiderate and rude. Whether or not you seem to live under some delusion that cats always come back no matter what, I mean if your neighbors wanted eaten plants and dead bugs and rodents and cat shit in their yards, I'm sure they'd put it there themselves. If I lived next door to you lot, I'd buy a German Shepard in 3 minutes.

xpost Dan that is what I think. If you live in a non-rural area you need to keep the kitty on a leash and supervise it if it wants to go out. And not just because it's funny to see a cat on a leash.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Xpost to Ally: Hamsters WERE outdoor animals originally -- humankind didn't INVENT them, you know.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

You really shouldn't keep fleas out. They're FLEAS! I think anthromorphosizing them with horrible personality traits that mean that they have to be kept the fuck away is nuts.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Anecdotes:

My parents' cats:
Ginger Andrea Clorox: Outdoor cat, hit by a car
Pickles: Outdoor cat, hit by a car
Jane: Indoor cat, went out once and was mauled by neighborhood dogs, never went out again, died at 19 of old age.
Igneal: Outdoor cat, shot by a pellet gun, died at 12 of brain thingy from eating poison food.
Imor: Outdoor cat, shot by a pellet gun (the pellet it still in his right hind leg), hit by a car, 10 years old and still alive. Keep it real, boy!
Gandalf: Outdoor cat, hit by a car.
Arwyn: Indoor only, one year old, still alive.
Isabella: Indoor only, months old, still alive.

All three of ours are alive and healthy and cuddly and flea-free and don't go outside because we live in Chicago and there are signs all over the alley informing us that the city has set out rat poison, plus cars, plus evil people with pellet guns, plus mean little shit kids you do horrible things to sweet, trusting, lovey cats. I'm comfortable enough with our decision that I'm not even that upset that someone might think I'm a terrible person for it.

Sample DeKuyper does that crazy MEOW MEOW MEOW thing, too. I think she gets lost in the apartment. I just call her and she comes running and jumps on me for attention and that takes care of that.

pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Laurel but that's my point. Just because something WAS an outdoor animal years and years ago doesn't mean its current incarnation still IS. Hence the domestication process. I mean house cats are related to lions but I've never seen my slacker ass of a cat kill a hyena.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Who is Sample DeKuyper??? (I'm imagining you're going to say "my little sister")

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, I'm totally not getting involved in this discussion, I grew up in the country and our cats kept the local rabbit/chipmunk/vole/bluejay population in check. I just thought the hamster thing was funny.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

(Also I am imagining some psychotic feng shui nuts looking at their garden and saying, "Hmm, something's not right here... A-HA! We need some catshit right there. Get your coat, Madge!")

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

When my yowely cat Gypsy gets bored she will bite the back of your head, hard. She also drools. I think it's the part Siamese.
Good reason not to let your cat out: Feline AIDS. There was a horrible cat in my neighborhood growing up who gave half the outdoor cats this.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Years ago I saw a guy on tv who built a tiny video camera that he strapped to his cat, on its chest just below the neck, and it would send the images to be recorded on his vcr. He wanted to see what his cat got up to all day when it went out, imagining great feline adventures. After some time recording he disappointingly discovered all his cat did was go and sit down somewhere for a while, then go sit somewhere else, then go home.

rw, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahahahaha that's funny.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link


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